Forgot to put USMA as a score recipient. Am I done for?

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  1. DutyHonorCountry

    DutyHonorCountry Member

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    Do SA have the right to contact collegeboard or ACT without the applicants consent despite the fact that the applicant has submitted a paper copy of the official score report? Are SA even allowed to investigate an applicants file even if it means using the applicants SSN or identity to solve something they are unsure about? Im trying to keep a 100% fool proof file.

    With that being said, I never submitted my NOV SAT scores because I forgot to put USMA as a recipient and totally ignored it until last night. Foolish mistake because I think I can be 3Q'd if USMA sees it despite the fact that I didn't win a nomination from congressman or senator due to my OCT scores (I am from the 11th district of VA) By now im thinking that they will be thrown off because the only tests they have is my OCT and DEC scores. My scores are much better on the NOV test in all sections in comparison to the OCT/DEC tests (hence why I suspect USMA will act suspicious) According to the NOV SAT my highest verbal is 700 NOT 500 (OCT) or 550 (DEC) my best MTH is 650 not 470 (OCT) or 440 (DEC) and my best WRT is (660) not 500 (OCT) or 490 (DEC) sorry about the long message but I am slightly worried. I think I should mail my official score report to the SE admissions team (specifically my diversity officer) I did this with the OCT scores and everything was recorded at once and updated. Thanks Guys!

    My academic stats as of NOW

    -Community College GPA- 3.51
    -Overall SAT score as of November- 2010 (Math: 650, Verbal: 700, Writing: 660) ps I plan on taking it ONE more time in hopes of bringing up Math score to 700
    -I am also a member of Phi Theta Kappa (national honor society for Community College students all throughout the U.S.)
    -made deans list in the summer classes I took
     
  2. hmza

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    Just contact college board and have scores sent to USMA. If you choose, you can request college board to expedite but will cost a little extra. Also do as you said, contact your diversity officer and give him copy of your scores. They are accepting the scores for the January test so you will be fine. Have you applied for the VP nomination? As for being 3 q'd, your file has to be reviewed by three people so still might take a while.
     
  3. DutyHonorCountry

    DutyHonorCountry Member

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    "Just contact college board and have scores sent to USMA."

    I think that is a bit more risky because the scores wont go directly to SE admissions team (collegeboard doesn't know what region I belong to, it just sends the scores to the main admissions and from there things can get mixed up) I prefer I send a print out of the official score report using the grey envelopes that USMA sent me in the mail (same thing as collegeboard sending them, except on the envelope is addressed specifically to SE admissions)

    "Have you applied for the VP nomination?"

    Yup

    "If you choose, you can request college board to expedite but will cost a little extra."

    That is why I don't want to expedite ship it.
     
  4. TheUnderdog

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    Not to question your integrity but I’m curious as to how in October you received a score of 1470 (Verbal-500, Math-470, Writing-500) then you rise up to a 2010(Verbal-700, Math-650, Writing-660) in November. Then back down to a 1480(Verbal-550, Math-440, Writing-490) in December. I have never heard of a case when anyone has raised their total score up 640 points, that’s just unheard of. After having these high scores for almost two months I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't immediately confirm that the admissions office revived these scores.

    I doubt a paper copy will be accepted because honestly it looks like something’s tampered with here. If everything you stated is true then why would you not consent to releasing official information. I'm sorry but something with your SAT scores seems fishy. If you send an official online score report from collegeboard that has those scores I'm sure they will accept them and figure out what region you are in.

    If you are looking to cut corners into gaining acceptance then this is not the institution for you. It's time for an integrity check and if you are willing to cheat then how is that going to reflect on your attitude at West Point and once you commission. Nothing great comes easy and you need to work to achieve your goals. However if you can pull scores like that in the upcoming January SAT, I will gladly hop off of your back. Until then I'm calling you out that those are not your scores.
     
  5. hmza

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    Like I said before, if they are accepting the January scores from college board, there is plenty of time for your scores to be sent properly and recorded.
     
  6. DutyHonorCountry

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    “Not to question your integrity but I’m curious as to how in October you received a score of 1470 (Verbal-500, Math-470, Writing-500) then you rise up to a 2010(Verbal-700, Math-650, Writing-660) in November. Then back down to a 1480(Verbal-550, Math-440, Writing-490) in December. “

    I don’t really know how this can seem awkward. I tend to be a better test taker the second time I take an exam no matter how much I prep because I have a much better idea of what I need to work on (got rid of the gitter bugs too) and how much I need to improve. Mind you, I have been prepping consistently (since May 2012) 24/7 until NOV came by. I am also a sophomore in college. I did horrible on the December SAT because I stopped prepping and had outside factors that hindered my test taking abilities for that day (I was not into it 100%)

    “I have never heard of a case when anyone has raised their total score up 640 points, that’s just unheard of. After having these high scores for almost two months I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't immediately confirm that the admissions office revived these scores.”

    That’s why I am worried about sending it to USMA. I forgot to add USMA as a score recipient (in fact there weren’t any score recipients for that SAT) and put it off until I went to double check my status for the December SAT; I noticed nothing was there for USMA or any other school for that fact. I have seen this happen to people I know (jumping up soo many points)

    “I doubt a paper copy will be accepted because honestly it looks like something’s tampered with here. If everything you stated is true then why would you not consent to releasing official information. I'm sorry but something with your SAT scores seems fishy. If you send an official online score report from collegeboard that has those scores I'm sure they will accept them and figure out what region you are in.”

    How can a paper copy not be accepted? Explain to me this?—what can I possibly do to the paper copy that would deceive the SE admissions team? And how is a paper copy any different than the kind of scores they would receive directly from collegeboard?

    “If you are looking to cut corners into gaining acceptance then this is not the institution for you. It's time for an integrity check and if you are willing to cheat then how is that going to reflect on your attitude at West Point and once you commission. Nothing great comes easy and you need to work to achieve your goals. However if you can pull scores like that in the upcoming January SAT, I will gladly hop off of your back. Until then I'm calling you out that those are not your scores.”

    Answer me this, how can I cut corners to gain acceptance into USMA? Has it been done by any anyone before me?
     
  7. Jwmiller6

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    I agree with underdog, something definitely seems strange about your situation.

    I'm not saying what happened is impossible, but extremely unlikely. To add to the strangeness, you want to send a paper copy. I do not understand why you wouldn't just sent it from collegeboard... It would probably get there faster, AND it would eliminate any suspicions. Also, I don't think USMA accepts test scores not sent from official sources.
     
  8. dunninla

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    Yes, it does seem like a very rare pattern. I believe the OP's true performance is reflected in the 2010 score. OP, let this be a lesson to never again hire poor test takers to sit for those tests for you in October and December!

    Now, back to seriousness. I have been a regular poster on collegeconfidential.com for about five years now. I have never, ever, even once in these five years heard of someone increasing their score by over 500 points in one test vs. two other tests, with the only preparation being self study. That pattern is so implausible (my guess is one in a million) that whoever evaluates your SAT scores will assume a recording that error at college board, or more likely, that you hired someone to take the November test for you.
     
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  9. DutyHonorCountry

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    So I guess submitting these scores aren't the best choice? thus answering my original question of "do SA essentially "hack" a candidate's application file by using his or her SS number and other personal information"
     
  10. Jwmiller6

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    If you honestly took the test and got those scores in November (highly unlikely), then submit them directly from collegeboard. If USMA won't add them, email them directly from your candidate portal.

    I don't really understand the second part of your post.
     
  11. kinnem

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    I doubt it. I expect there is a much more acceptable normal mechanism to double check something. In any case, why don't you do both? Send the paper copy and have them also sent directly from collegeboard? That way if something does get screwed up with the collegeboard transmission then your paper copy is also in place. This would cover all your bases as well as resolve any questions about your scores. :thumb:
     
  12. dunninla

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    OP -- I've been wondering since my post above whether I am too untrusting of huge jumps in SAT scores... so I took a look at all of your posts on this Board. Every post has listed SATs from October, then three days ago you added you added your 550 CR in a post (your Dec. CR score)... you showed 470 Math and 550 CR as of three days ago in asking for advice. You also wrote a few things about how unfair it is that a person could fail to qualify for USMA just because of a silly test like the SAT.

    Now, three days later, you write to us about a previously TOTALLY unmentioned Nov. test sitting in which you got 700 CR and 650 Math. Were you unaware of your Nov. sitting scores three days ago when you last posted your updated SAT scores as 470 and 550? Then you go on to ask for specific details about whether the USMA will accept a paper score report without any direct electronic corroboration from college board.com.

    If you were an outsider reading that, how would that appear to you? It would appear that you intend to fabricate a Nov. score report and send it to USMA, then hope the USMA doesn't corroborate that score with the College Board. I would further assume that you would consider this an acceptable choice because it is so unfair for a silly test like the SAT to keep an otherwise very worthy candidate for getting an Appointment --- why not just fix that injustice by making up your own SAT score. Two wrongs making a right.
     
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  13. DutyHonorCountry

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    I just sent collegeboard a message. What if something happens in between the time I send them those scores and the time I get a reply back? for example USMA not being able to get the scores. When I went for my congressional nomination interview, the office did not receive any kind of score what-so-ever until I came with a printed out packet of a score report for the October SATs
     
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    Please explain to me how one can "fabricate" scores and send it off to USMA with the assumption of not getting caught?
     
  15. hmza

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    USMA will only post scores that are official- sent from college board. Previously you said prior scores were posted after you sent a copy to your diversity officer but they probably had your scores in their system, just never got around to posting. My DS has sent an email to SE admissions reminding them to be on the lookout for his SAT scores a couple of times and his scores were posted soon afterwards. If you did sit for the Nov test and those are your scores then you should not be worried about submitting and be proud of what you accomplished. However, I sense a lot of worry(guilt?) and that is a red flag as well as a prior poster pointing out your previous messages about your SATs etc... Red flags!
    I don't get it... When you checked on your December test scores your Nov. test scores would be posted and right between your October scores and your December scores which you made us aware of several times. I have a friend, who is now retired, but sat on the admissions board at USMA for several years. She jokingly said to me a couple of months ago that nothing improper gets by admissions since several sets of eyes view the records. This was in reference to the essays but I am sure scores are the same. Even though we only see the super score posted on the portal I am sure they have record of all scores. On USNAs portal they show all scores even though they say they use the super score.
     
  16. stella

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    Collegeboard

    Agree...plus pay the extra fee and have it done right away. This is your future you are talking about. Spend the money and get USMA the official scores directly from collegeboard asap. That would be my thought.

    S
     
  17. TheUnderdog

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    100% agree. If you have nothing to hide then simply send an official collegeboard score report.
     
  18. Vista123

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    score variances: Not the point here -I know- but scores can vary wildly. Son got a 21 ACT on reading and then later a 33 ACT on reading and only self studied. Science went from a 24 to a 30 and then back to a 24 on ACT. Of course he took the test every month for about a year....

    OP: why mess around? Dont make poor choices. Send the score every single way you can possibly send the score. Being worried about twenty dollars extra is penny wise, pound foolish.
     
  19. SeaMars

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    USMA will only post scores that are official- sent from the College Board.


    I recall from when son applied that he had to sign the application under oath that all submitted materials were accurate, and that it was a violation of law (for medical information, and maybe for the rest, a felony) to knowingly submit inaccurate materials or intentionally omit required materials. With the medical records (and I assume with other materials), if one is admitted and later found to have falsified records, it can result in a dishonorable discharge.

    Many jobs in the military require enhanced security clearances, for which application materials are reviewed and verified at some later time, long after admission. (Search this forum for some prior threads). A falsified score [or omitted arrest or asthma diagnosis, for example] can easily come back to haunt you and ruin a career.
     
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  20. DutyHonorCountry

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    Under what condition do SAs go into depth of an applicant after he or she is admitted?
     

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