fully qualified?

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  1. ski_addict29

    ski_addict29 Member

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    Hey everyone,

    So I received a letter a few weeks ago saying that I was fully qualified and to let USMA know when I get a nomination. I believe I will receive a nom from my congressman and I was wondering if you guys knew how frequently someone who received a letter like this is accepted. Thanks! :smile:
     
  2. BigNick

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    If you get a nomination from your congressman - but not the priciple nomination - you will be put on the National Waiting List along with about 1700 people in your same situation. West Point ranks the NWL from 1 to last based on your West Point determened Whole Candidate Score (their combination of all of your qualifications). Each year about 400 people are given offers from the NWL. Therefore your chances depend on your standing on the NWL. Your Regional Admissions officer will probably give you some idea where your are on the list and what you need to do to improve your rank on the list. However, this late in the process there is not much that can be done. In effect, you are now competing with about 1700 fully qualified people with nominations for one of the approximately 400 slots.
     
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    If you google class profiles from recent years I think you will find that about 60% of those that are fully qualified and get a nomination receive an appointment offer.
     
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    I don't have any data for USMA, but for USNA, the % Offered out of the "3Q with Nom" pool was 65% for Class of 2012, down to 50% for Class of 2014. http://www.hometownannapolis.com/photos/110130usnaadmissions2.pdf The % Offered varies substantially depending upon Ethnicity/Race, and to a slight degree, gender. Check the category that applies to you.
     
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    While that is very useful information to someone asking about USNA, the OP is asking about USMA and therefore that info could be misleading in regards to USMA.
     
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    ^ Yes, it could be... but gives one point of information, which is better than none. Is there anything similar for USMA?
     
  7. buff81

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    dunninla -
    The profile that West Point puts out only has stats on those that are academically and physically qualified, but no numbers on those that are medically qualified. Therefore, it is hard to give an answer to someone asking what their chances if they are 3Q'd since those numbers are not published.
    Therefore, it is misleading to compare 2Q'd USMA stats with 3Q'd USNA stats.

    I believe the OP is asking what their chances are for an appointment for those that are 3Q'd with a nom. Way too many variables to answer that. BigNick addressed the nom situation which is the real unknown. Whether you are the vacancy winner v on the NWL makes a huge difference.

    ski_addict29 -
    As you can tell from above, it is very difficult to say what your chances are. But know this - you can't be appointed without being 3Q'd ( which you are :thumb:) and you can't be appointed without a nom ( which you suspect you will get one). You just have to wait and see if you get a nom and if so, what kind.
    You can also continue to improve your file with things that you have done since you filled out the CAR.
    Our RC has put the word out to all of us FFRs in his region, that the best way to improve your file at this point is to take the ACT and SAT again - unless you have perfect scores, of course. :wink:
     
  8. Hoffy600

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    Really?

    Hello:

    I have already scheduled to re-take the ACT. Is this truly the best way to tack on some pts to my WCS? I am pretty certain I am on the NWL. I had a principle alternate nomination, so I'm really hoping I can be one of the lucky 400.
     
  9. BigNick

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    With all due respect - the USNA system is based on the same laws as the USMA but there are numerous differences between the admissions processes. Experience with Navy is not helpful - I know you are trying to help but your experiences can be very misleading for the people on this forum.
     
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    The odds are actually somewhat better than that as 1375 were admitted but significantly more than 1375 offers were made.
     
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    The Official Class of 2015 Profile shows:
    2,540 fully qualified and nominated
    1,261 admitted
    Therefore:
    49.4% with 3Q and nomination were admitted
    or 1,279 people that were 3Qd and nominated DID NOT get in
    This is tough. You must get 3Qd and nominated, but you must also be a very highly rated 3Q candidate
     
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    This is the published profile for the Class of 2015: http://admissions.westpoint.edu/pdf/Profile.pdf

    Volume of Applicants Men Women Total
    Applicant Files Started 11,198 2,756 13,954
    Nominated 3,627 717 4,344
    Qualified (academically & physically) 2,141 399 2,540
    Admitted 1,049 212 1,261

    If you look closely at the 'Qualified' category, it says, 'Qualified (academically and physically)'.
    I may be interpreting too literally, but in admission's terms, that is only 2 of the 3 'Qs'.
    It does not mention that 'Qualified' included those that were Medically Qualified. So therefore, I interpret that category as such - giving stats on those that were academically and physically qualified and not those that were FULLY qualified which would include the medical (DoDMERB) qualification.

    This profile also says that 4344 were nominated. One might infer that all 2540 that were 'Qualified (academically and physically), were part of that 4344 nominated number. It could very well be that some of those 2540 did NOT receive a nom. It can not be assumed that all 2540 received a nom.
    I do not see anywhere in this profile that says x number were 3Q'd with noms. All that we can definitively say is that 1261 (admitted number) were 3Q'd with a nom. Of course, there were more than that that were '3Q'd with a nom' but not all that are '3Q'd with a nom,' get an appointment.
    We also don't know from these stats how many were offered an appointment.

    All this to say that different people can look at the same stats and come to different conclusions.
    There are many ways to interpret these stats that could possibly lead to misleading interpretations.
     
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    USNA applications have been "gender neutral" for more than a dozen years. I would assume USMA is the same.
     
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    That could be... but how to explain the fact that the female Offer rate across the four ethnic categories is about 20% higher than the male Offer rate? :eek: Did you look carefully at the columns in the link?

    At the USNA, it is, for the chart showing Class of 2014 applications, the Offer/Fully qualified ratios are:

    - 67% female
    - 54% male

    As for USMA, the data posted above for Class of 2015 shows a much smaller delta in Offer rate between "qualified" male and female applicants:

    53% female,
    49% male.

    But just to complicate things further, the Class of 2014 for USMA was:

    66% female
    57% male

    However, as buff pointed out above, it is hard sometimes to understand what some of the categories exactly mean.
     
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    Purely coincidental.:rolleyes:
     
  17. ski_addict29

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    ok so this is all extremely complicated lol but from what i found about 350 girls got the letter i did last year and about 275 ended attending. so my chances seem decent. i hope so anyways.
     
  18. Just_A_Mom

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    This is apples and oranges and not really a good assumption to make. USMA historically has attracted fewer female candidates than USNA. That said - USMA has to be careful not to admit *too many* females as they have a congressional mandate to fulfill to provide officers to combat arms branches which are off limits to females. Last I heard USMA would like to be at 20% female but I don't believe they have ever reached that goal.
     
  19. Just_A_Mom

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    You need to understand that West Point is interested in YOU. They are waiting for you to get a nomination. IF/when you receive one you should call your RC immediately and follow up with your MALO if you are working with one. Good Luck!
     
  20. Hoffy600

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    How does it balance out?

    Ok so thanks a lot to the moderator for posting those #'s about the c/o 2015.

    I understand from simple math that for males the average acceptance rate for fully qualified (i'm medically OK too) is ~49%. However, colleges naturally get more competitive year by year. Also, West Point has cut the class of 2016 to around 1100 cadets (right?), so how much lower do you guys think that number will be?
    Also, if the numbers on that linked page only have "admitted" numbers, not "offered an appt" numbers, could that make the percentage larger?

    So 49%... larger potentially because it wasn't *offers", just accepted offers, smaller because of a smaller class size, and smaller because of general competitiveness.... What do you guys think?
     

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