Grenade!!

This is the United States Military Academy. A prestigious school. Any cadet caught cheating should be expelled. The honor code is to not lie, cheat, or steal. This is unacceptable in my opinion to allow these cadets to stay at Westpoint
 
I don't disagree with you. The question in my mind is "caught". Just because some civilian professor says your answers are similar (how many ways are there to calculate the force of friction down a ramp) to an on-line resource or an O-6 says you are concocting a story, doesn't mean the cadet or mid cheated. To be advised to violate the honor code and lie and say that you cheated because that would allow you to be retained, goes against rationale thought.

The process is supposed to fairly and justly ascertain if the cadet or mid has violated the honor code. However, the process has been corrupted.
 
ETM said:
I don't disagree with you. The question in my mind is "caught". Just because some civilian professor says your answers are similar (how many ways are there to calculate the force of friction down a ramp) to an on-line resource or an O-6 says you are concocting a story, doesn't mean the cadet or mid cheated. To be advised to violate the honor code and lie and say that you cheated because that would allow you to be retained, goes against rationale thought.

The process is supposed to fairly and justly ascertain if the cadet or mid has violated the honor code. However, the process has been corrupted.
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I look forward to a public release, if there is going to be one.

My limited understanding doesn’t match this.
 
@ETM Thank you for your post; it has a lot of info I was unaware of. Punishments given before & advising someone not to have a lawyer when clearly one is needed are not the ways an impartial judicial process works. Neither is tampering with evidence. That's not right.
 
Here's an idea...how about allow the chain of command to deal with these things. They are more informed than anyone posting here, and deeply committed to the welfare of our Academies. Anyone who has spent a minute wearing the cloth of this Nation knows these things are very nuanced, complex, and individualized. As with all things, the chain of command is best suited to deal with it.

At times, the virtue signaling on this site is nauseating. Raise your hand if you are a perfect human.
 
Not sure about USNA, but USMA honor boards are also done under a preponderance of evidence versus beyond a shadow of a doubt standard to prove a charge one way or the other. In other words, if 51% of the evidence points towards someone being guilty of an honor violation, the board is charged to find that individual on the charge. With how few cases really ultimately end up being black and white when you start digging into the cases the boards look at, I always find it better to reserve judgment because it can be befuddling to watch from the outside without hearing the whole case and understanding what the board members and the chain of command are taking into consideration when they make their recommendations and decisions based on this. Cadets and cadets to be should take it as a caution that your honor and integrity is something you need to hold above approach and take precautions to stay out of situations where it might even be a question.
 
On this one, NO! I think they've already compromised themselves at West Point.

Just my opinion.
 
TexasAggie204 said:
On this one, NO! I think they've already compromised themselves at West Point.

Just my opinion.
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So, are you going to encourage your son to depart prior to affirmation or sooner? Maybe he can slide right into to the more virtuous Corps of Cadets at A&M?
 
TexasAggie204 said:
Not at all, he is not defined by the failings of his leaders.
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Would you mind laying out each case including the facts and nuance for us? Truly interested in what you know relative to the 3, highly respected General Officers at West Point.
 
The only FACT that I need to know is that 70+ Cadets admitted or were proven to have cheated on an exam last year and yet, many/most of them are still Cadets. That's the 1 case that is relevant (no nuance needed). Are they highly respected?
 
TexasAggie204 said:
The only FACT that I need to know is that 70+ Cadets admitted or were proven to have cheated on an exam last year and yet, many/most of them are still Cadets. That's the 1 case that is relevant (no nuance needed). Are they highly respected?
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Yes, they are.

Thanks for the clarity on what you actually know about the cases...each one judged on its own merits and IAW the honor code guiding policies at the time.

It's as I thought it would be. You are not an expert on the matter...just like everyone else posting here.

But, your son will benefit from a world-class education at the single best leadership engine in the world.
 
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