How can academics affect you being kicked out in the first semester?

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  1. ccfletch

    ccfletch Member

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    Please share information on how to avoid being kicked out due to academics?
    How to stay off academic probation? Suggestions for meeting the academic probation board? How many chances do you get?
     
  2. CadCandMateus

    CadCandMateus Recent Grad

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    Work hard, use EI (extra instruction), ask questions, plan ahead. (you usually get plenty of chances to improve)
     
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  3. Texasrocks

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    It is alot about effort. My son was less than stellar academically coming in below avg sat and HS gpa 3.18. But he has focused on his academics at the academy and used the writing lab, tutoring and frankly spends time working on his studies. The are extra credit activites too. He has his IC practices but aside from that there is little distractions and the resources are there. With Prague coming up we will see how he is offically but he said he is around a 3.5-3.6. Congratulations to the AFA staff for teaching him how to suceed in the classroom.:thumb:
     
  4. Christcorp

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    As mentioned, if you are truly trying, then it's almost impossible to be kicked out. At least not in the 1st semester. They've put a lot of time and money into getting you to the academy. They aren't going to kick you out after 1 semester if you are trying. That's not to say that some people haven't been kicked out. Most people remember "Mars Boy". He was kicked out after the 1st semester for academics. But from what my sources have said, he didn't try very hard.

    As mentioned, use EI, talk to your instructors, and also get with your group's Academic NCO. S/He is set up to specifically make sure you get the help you need. You should know who it is; "They are one of the people who's name you were required to memorize as a C4C". Good luck to you. mike.....
     
  5. flieger83

    flieger83 Super Moderator Moderator

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    Want to hear my ten cents worth?

    I failed Math 133 (our third calc class, doolie year) in 1980. I was "ordered to attend" my Academic Board for Disenrollment in May 1980.

    I sat at the end of a long polished wooden table with 8 officers to my right and left, and one (full bird colonel, department head) at the end of the table. And I will NEVER forget one of those officers...he was a chemistry professor, Lt Col Meier, USAFA Class of 1959...a legend at the "zoo." And he ripped me a new one...heard how I thought I could do better, I could succeed, I would succeed....

    He asked: "What drug are you on Cadet? I want some, because that is a fine delusion you have going and I think it'd be fun to experience!"

    After being "abused" for about 20 minutes, I stood up and told the colonel: "Sir, I came here to serve and become an officer. If this abuse by senior officers to me, a cadet, is normal, then I do NOT want this. Good afternoon sir!" I saluted and walked out.

    And crossed the Terrazzo in tears; my dream was over, I was being disenrolled, after all the work I'd done to get here, the extra year in prep school, etc.

    I was chased down by a captain. He came to me, and said: "Cadet...compose yourself, return to the room, report in a military manner, and listen. Clear?"

    So I did...

    To cut to the chase...the Colonel looked at me at the end of the table...and said: "Cadet...given the choice of volunteering to give up your summer leave to attend summer school, or to attend another outstanding university where this board has no doubt you will be a Deans list member, which would you choose? You have 10 seconds to decide."

    The answer was immediate.

    Now...I told you ALL THAT for what reason?

    I was told later WHY they gave me that offer. Remember folks here speak of "EI" (extra instruction)? Well...in olden days we had 42 lessons in a semester. That's 42 class hours of instruction. I had 142 hours of EI in that one class!

    And that '59 grad, Col Meier? He turned out to be my biggest advocate! His words, described to me were something like: "HE put in 142 hours of EI, combined with our 42 hours of class...and still he got an F grade. Gentleman: we simply didn't reach this cadet. HE MADE THE EXTRA EFFORT! Surely that deserves another chance?"

    I think of him often.

    Think I'm a believer in EI? :thumb:

    Steve
    USAFA ALO
    USAFA '83
     
  6. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    After 1 semester, you will get another chance, unless you are obviously not trying and/or are in the "square root club." (i.e. your GPA is lower than the square root of your GPA) USAFA tends to give at least one strike, as long as they think you have a chance and show some effort.

    You have PLENTY of resources to help you academically. EI, tutors, the writing center, classmates, and more. If you are struggling, you need to use them BEFORE you dig too deep a hole.

    One thing some freshmen don't realize is you can get EI from most any instructor. So, if you simply cannot understand your instructor, find one who can teach the way you understand! They will probably be happy to help you.
     
  7. ccfletch

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    Avoiding being kicked out responses.

    Thanks everyone for your responses. I am glad to hear that if I try, I won't be sent home in the first semester.


     
  8. raimius

    raimius USAFA Alumnus

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    Of course, nothing is guaranteed, but a 1.8 is unlikely to get you after 1 semester.

    As has been mentioned, use those resources!
     
  9. ZoomingFalcon

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    Some of the classes are just...weird. Like the new freshman military history class, which was even explained to us as a "survey" class. We're the experiment. If something doesn't work well, they change it for the Spring semester. Which stinks sometimes because the objectives and material they give is is BOGUS!

    But for things like Physics, Chem, Calc, Engineering, etc. you can definitely go and get EI. Especially for those classes, you may just be missing some kind of "central" concept that ties it all together.

    For any 2015ers reading this, CompSci is NOT your friend (my apologies to any CompSci majors here).
     

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