"I got your name from the Army ROTC NON Selection LIST" say what??

Discussion in 'ROTC' started by Bop28, Apr 26, 2012.

  1. Bop28

    Bop28 Member

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    Well, my son followed all the rules, completing everything in time for the 1st board. We've waited patiently for board 1, board 2, board 3. No status change, no letter. We assumed like so many others, he wouldn't be receiving the 4yr scholarship, but we held out hope since we didn't have any official notification. Well, today, we received an email from a random in state school saying this: I received your basic contact information from the Army ROTC 4-Year Scholarship non-select list and I would like to discuss with you the opportunity to apply to the ROTC Program here at..... NON Select List? What the heck? Great way to break the official news. Anyway, we're still waiting on some official word, plus a medical waiver too. Its been 2 months. I sure hope we don't get that decision by way of some random email too, saying...."Son, I just got your name and contact info from the, you'll never have an Army career reject list...but....! :rolleyes:
     
  2. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

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    Assuming it's correct it's too bad you son didn't get a scholarship and doubly bad that he found out this way. :thumbdown: On the other hand it might be worth exploring this further unless plan B is already locked up. Best of luck to your DS.
     
  3. Ohio2015Parent

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    Bop28,

    We had a few of those emails last year - different schools and types of offers were made(mostly to Jr college type programs and one just wanted him as a "walk on"). Follow up on it as kinnem suggested, it may be a legit offer, or not. Plan C is working out for my DS, his dream of being an Army officer is far from gone. I hope your DS finds his path and continues to pursue his goal.

    I do agree, it is a horrible way to get the "final" answer, but in a way better to know now(that official letter might not arrive until June from CC like Ds's). Good luck with the waiver process -- one small blessing was we didn't have to go thru that bit of fun:rolleyes:

    Take care.
     
  4. Jcleppe

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    You need to understand even the "official" letter is not the end of the road, all the letter states is that you did not receive a scholarship from the 3 official boards. There is always the chance of a campus scholarship, some applicants last year received offers as late as June. The third board met a while ago, official offer letters were sent, and received, as Ohio said it could be well into June before you receive an official letter.

    I heard of some applicants that received emails just like this after they had not been selected by the first board. Most ROO's know that May 1st is the date most schools require a commitment, they probably are looking to make contacts prior to that date while waiting for CC to make their final offers. While a better choice of words might have been nice, notice of rejection in the military is usually pretty blunt.

    Good luck to your son.
     
  5. bdaMom

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    When our son applied for the 4-yr scholarship 2 years ago, it was the day after he left for basic training that summer when the official letter came saying he didn't get the scholarship. Thank goodness we were already doing Plan B of Reserves/SMP. But then halfway through basic traning (last day of July) he was offered a 3-yr scholarship. It just goes to show you there is no nice ordered timing for any of this and you have to decide for yourself when to move on to the next plan.
     
  6. Commonsense58

    Commonsense58 New Member

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    Still waiting for official notification

    My daughter; MVP Swim team, lettered as sophomore, TOP 25, with a slew of academic awards. ACT:29 #16 in grad class of 543. leads school in volunteer hours with 831. all honors AP for 3 years. 3.91 gpa, president of Thespian club, MOCK trial team 3 years. honor roll 8 straight years and ran her mile for the ROTC in 31 degree weather 2 days before X-mas. If she does not receive the ROTC scholarship (she has already been admitted into nursing program at her University of choice) she plans on earning a campus based scholarship. she has her sights set on becoming an Army nurse. I am so proud of her as she did this with just me, her dad raising her the past 15 years. I am happy to pay her tuition until she EARNS her ROTC scholarship. The Army will be getting one tough sharp young lady! scholarship or not! look for her at AROTC San Diego
     
  7. emg33

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    I just received one of those emails today too. I knew that I had not been awarded the scholarship after seeing all the posts on this website when the 3rd board reviews came out; even though I have not received the "official" letter yet. I am still doing AROTC at the school I will be attending in the fall.
     
  8. Jcleppe

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    A lot of people will be getting letters like this over the next few weeks. Battalions are just trying to fill their slot with some old fashion marketing. I'm sure there is no intent on their part to be insensitive by saying they received your name from the non select list. Most people after seeing no change in their status have called the ROO at their #1 school and found out they did not get an offer by now, these other ROO's are just making contacts to give these applicants other options.
     
  9. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    I usually word my letter a little different...something to the effect of "everything I can see indicates you will not be receiving an offer". Sometimes I can't see everything, and I want to avoid making a false statement. I've seen a couple late scholarships this year, so I'm always careful. I also try not to "spam" too far outside of my list of accepted applicants. I know some school spam every applicant that is on the list. I'm not going to bother you if you didn't apply to Clarkson.
     
  10. Bop28

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    You always offer an interesting 'take' on topics. Thank you ClarksonArmy. My first thought when reading the email, was it sounded like a crappy spammy type offer. My son didn't apply to this Junior College. Anyway, if his medical waiver comes through before school starts, he will enroll in ROTC and compete with all the others for any available school scholarships. If there's no waiver for him, then he will do what ever it takes to pay his way through college as 'loan free' as he possibly can...
     
  11. kinnem

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    +1 clarksonarmy.
     
  12. Just_A_Mom

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    No. If he did not get a scholarship he won't get a waiver right now.
    They won't even look at him for a waiver.
    However, if he takes ROTC and if offered a contract later -- they will then seek a waiver.
    I know this sounds backward to you but frankly the Army is not going to put $$$ into the waiver process - which can get complicated - if he is not offered a scholarship right now.

    I suggest your son make contact with the ROTC department at the college he will be attending. Making a visit can be very helpful.
    Good luck to him paying his way 'loan free'.
     
  13. Bop28

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    I thought the waiver process was automatic since he was a qualified applicant for the scholarship. Since he didn't get offered one, you say the waiver process just ends for now? Should he even begin ROTC while the risk of a NON waiver somewhere down the road is a possibility?
     
  14. kinnem

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    That's correct. The waiver process stops for now until he is awarded a scholarship or otherwise contracts. Your, or his, decision on whether he begins ROTC. Yes, there is a possibility he won't get a waiver. I imagine it will depend on what caused the hydronephrosis, how it was corrected, and how long ago it occurred. Or it could be waivers are never granted for this condition. Unfortunately I dont think anyone here can answer. You might get more insight as to odds on the DoDMERB forum.

    From my perspective, without any additional info, if his dream is to commision, then I would go for it. I don't think I would let the possibility of the dream not being fulfilled would stop me. That's always a possibility regardless of any medical issue. That being said if there was a way to obtain more info to better inform my decision, I would do so. You have plenty of time for that I think.

    Also, as a parent, even if he doesn't get a waiver, I think the time in ROTC will be beneficial in any case and can aid his adjustment to college. It should also enrich his experience there and help to keep hum on the straight and narrow.

    If he was not so set on commissioning, but was pursuing ROTC primarily as a way to cover costs, then I might have second thoughts about it at this point.

    Just my opinions as a parent. Perhaps they'll help you determine the proper course at this point. Good luck with the decision.
     
  15. clarksonarmy

    clarksonarmy Recruiting Operations Officer at Clarkson Army

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    Here are a couple things to know...

    The automatic waiver consideration often doesn't happen. I have often had to prompt Cadet Command for the waiver. So the ROO should be involved to make sure the applicant is getting considered. May require a cadet Action request form.

    Speaking of ROOs...If you were coming to Clarkson I would want to push the waiver while you are an enrolled cadet freshman year. That way we can determine whether you are contractable or not. Even though you are not on scholarship, if you are enrolled and looking like a likely contractable cadet, I'm going to get you DODMBER qualified. Of course I'm at a relatively small program and can provide that personal attention.
     
  16. Steve

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    My son received the same letter the other day and I agree Bop, that is NOT the way to receive official notification. Granted we assumed he was not selected, but only as a result of being on this forum and monitoring ongoing conversations. I acknowledge everyone's positive spin on the issue however that's not the point. The point is Cadet Command should establish some sort of system that better informs non-selects in a timely manner PRIOR to them receiving this type of letter.
     
  17. Bop28

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    Steve, you understood my point completely. We believe our Son learned many important life lessons just by applying and being considered a qualified candidate. No regrets there, however, we have noticed a less than systematic manner these offices are run. There's a "hodge podge-yness" to it all. It seems there's no official policy that you can rely on and any accurate answers you may get are often fished out of these informative forums. I can't imagine the confusion and frustration of the folks who are unaware of these forums.
     
  18. Commonsense58

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    I can understand

    everyone's frustration at the notification process. My daughter and I have had the same wait but with a different take on it. We made several "plans" for her University experience. It was helpful that she knew what career she wanted ( nursing) and that she wanted to serve in the armed forces. Armed with those two most important items we applied for scholarships. She is highly qualified but we understood funding was an issue and that her major was not an immediate priority for the Army or Navy. She had always had her focus on earning a campus based scholarship. As a veteran (field artillery) of the United States Army I have counselled her on what to expect and how to go about her business. She knows that obstacles and challenges are a part of life and the reward is in the journey and not everything will be handed to her. The true learning and building of character is how the challenges and obstacles are handled and not necessarily the obstacles themselves. Even though we are quite sure she did not receive the scholarship, she is handling her lesson extremely well! She WANTS IT and is happy to be in the life experience of earning it! best of luck to everyone here and God Bless the Armed Forces and the United States of America!
     

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