In-State tuition waiver list?

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  1. justamum

    justamum Member

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    Hi,

    I am trying to locate any list or discussion that speaks to state/public schools that currently (2013) offer in state tuition to ROTC students from out of state.

    I am a bit confused on this point....but it seems that there has been a change in policy now that one of the top 3 schools must be a state school and one that the candidate can receive in state tuition for. It does not have to be the students home state...I get that...but where can I find that information. I have seen on this forum that Texas A&M does...but I recall that there are others. Several posts mentioned a "sticky" but I only see one for room and board.

    We are residents of MA...and there are many NROTC schools, but only one state school and it is not the calibre school DS is hoping to attend. Any help is welcome!

    thanks in advance.
    justamum
     
  2. USMCGrunt

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    Ok... here are two quotes from P-Flying17. Recommend you PM her (or at least search for posts from her as she is an NROTC insider who can confirm these points)

    The following was posted by P-Flying17 back in Sept 2011. This may be dated and should definately be checked out. But it is a starting point:

    "The best thing to do is call the NROTC Unit at the school you are interested in and ask if that school offers reciprical agreements.

    Any NROTC Scholarship student is eligible for instate tuition at any public Texas School.
    Texas A&M University
    Texas A&M University at Galveston
    University of Texas
    University of Houston
    Texas Southern University

    There are schools that offer reciprical agreements with other states, but none to the effect that Texas does.

    For instance State University of New York offers instate tuition for residents of Alabama, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, North Carolina, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Washington D.C., Pennsylvania, and Virginia.

    Wisconsin has a reciprocal agreement with Minnesota.

    Minnesota currently has one with North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.

    The Citadel offers to certain counties in Georgia. South Carolina will occassionally offer instate tuition eligible scholarships."

    A more recent comment from P-Flying17:

    "also any public Texas school. University of Houston, TAMU, UT, Rutgers as well. Next year, maybe Minnesota. University of South Carolina is good about giving scholarships that reduce tuition to that of instate or close to it, but would have to have that documentation before applying it to instate tuition cost."
     
  3. justamum

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    Thanks for the quick reply. I will try to get in touch with P17...its all so stressful trying to figure it all out...you guys are great!
    ~justamum
     
  4. justamum

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    Just tried to PM P-17 but since I am a new user I havent enough posts to do that. If you are reading please feel free to reach out to me!
    ~mum
     
  5. DeskJockey

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    This is just a guess on my part, but I find it hard to believe that the Navy is very much interested in awarding any scholarships to Worcester State, and almost certainly not to candidates who (based on their academic profile) are unlikely to accept. Also, if your DS is going to opt for an engineering or physics major, Worcester doesn't even offer degrees in those fields. I am sure it is a fine school, but not in the same league as nearly all of the other public universities that offer NROTC - most of which are highly-ranked "flagship" institutions. Under the circumstances it may actually be an advantage to be a MA resident, because you can list an in-state public with little risk of being assigned a scholarship there. That would not necessarily be the case if you put one of the Texas publics on your list, as the Navy will definitely be awarding a large number of scholarships to highly-qualified candidates at those schools. You may want to contact the staff at the Holy Cross unit and see if you can find out if the Navy ever sticks MA candidates with scholarships to Worcester, and then use that info to make your decision.
     
  6. justamum

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    Dear Desk Jocky,

    Thank you so much for that insight. You captured exactly what I was thinking...how could the Navy hope a student who was very able to compete at excellent universities to accept at a mid-range school. But I also understand that budget realities exist. I will suggest he make some calls.

    DS is pursuing both USNA/nominations and NROTC which is creating a pile of confusing paperwork to sort through all at the same time. I just dont want him to have to re-do whats already done....the summer is growing short!

    ~Justamum
     
  7. Ex.BT.USN

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    File Folders

    justamum,

    My DS has completed and submitted the applications to the Academy and NROTC. What I feel helped was the direction of another parent to get file folders. Great advise!!

    When go got the folders my DS took them and separated the Academy, Senators, Congressman, NROTC in a manner that worked best for him. He then made a bullet list of things to do and things to follow-up on for each. He really wants this really bad so he stayed right on top of things, checking and updating his list each day and bouncing ideas and questions off of us every now and then. It was nice to watch him become more organized.

    As I sit and type, my DS is now setting up his three envelopes so he can mail off his Senator & Congressman information. Again this all started by another parent telling me to just get the folders. I was impressed to see what my DS did with them after.

    Hope this helps, good luck.
     
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  8. Pima

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    There is another reason to get several folders, besides organization as a candidate. Later on, whatever path they choose, they may need that paperwork again.

    When our DS went to college with his AFROTC scholarship in hand, we sent him a copy of all of the information, held onto the hard copies at home. He actually did use it 1x in his 4 yrs...and luckily I didn't have to dig for it at home.

    He also applied for an internship on the Hill with our Senator, and it was easy for me to just pull out the file 2 yrs later for the address it came from written on the letterhead.

    One key thing in the military is YOU (your DS in this case) is in charge of their personnel file at all times. They do make mistakes, and by having files on hand, you can easily correct the mistakes, or at least know the name and contact number to assist you.

    I can't tell you how many times on this board alone, posters have said something occurred in a negative way because an item was thought to be lost in the cracks, had they had the paperwork with them when they were told it was missing, who knows what the outcome could have been.
     
  9. Ex.BT.USN

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    Nice...

    Justamum,

    I almost forgot the other more important advise as we have gone through all this.

    Take the time and build your memories, it all goes by fast and then they are gone.

    Thank Pima, the advise is solid and so worth it!!:thumb:

    Cheers....

    PS: Typo for me "When go got". Should have been "When I got".
     
  10. USMCGrunt

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    There are two primary reasons I participate in this forum.

    The first is to help (in any way I can) those young people who desire to serve our country by serving in the Military.

    The second is to pay back all those who came before me here on the forum. When my DS was applying I was a nervous wreck. Visions of review boards dinging him for missing a box or signing in the wrong color ink. "Pay attention to detail" a phrase I heard often during my military service kept ringing in my ears. I second guessed each instruction on the application and every step of the process. "Could they mean this or that" "What exactly do they mean by x?) It was sound advice from posters on this site that got my DS and I through the process and we are most appreciative.

    So keep the questions coming. Don't be afraid to ask them. And yes: Take the time to build memories, it all goes by fast.

    Semper Fi
     
  11. Pima

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    +1 to EX and USMC.

    Here's another thing to understand.

    This is a MARATHON, not a sprint!

    Do not think by October you will have an NROTC scholarship or apptmt in hand.

    The majority will not know for at least 6 more months. Many will be informed that they were re-boarded. They don't call it Mass Mailing March (SAs) for nothing!

    It is not only a marathon, but a roller coaster ride too. They will have high and low points along the way,

    Most importantly IMPO, DO NOT pay too much attention to the awarded in the first fall boards, esp. for A/NROTC since they are tied to the college.

    This is a forum, and you can't assume ANYTHING! It is the WHOLE CANDIDATE SCORE!

    You maybe re-boarded, but many here will say they got a scholarship after being re-boarded...you could be on the cusp, and they want a larger pool to decide. You are not out.

    You are out when they send you a letter that says:
    At this time we regret...
     
  12. justamum

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    Pima,

    No doubt you are correct! Even without the added pressure of trying to garner nominations and scholarships just getting in to a chosen college/university seems a whole lot more pressurized than "back in the day" for me. I think I was pretty typical in that I picked out the one school I wanted to go to...and that was the only one I applied to. Now the kids have so many hoops to jump through and I am not sure who's interests are being served there. It doesnt look to me like the schools are thinking about what a 17 year old kid ought to be about!

    I have one question about what you said. Can you explain this to me a little more?

    "Most importantly IMPO, DO NOT pay too much attention to the awarded in the first fall boards, esp. for A/NROTC since they are tied to the
    college."

    After reading this message board I was under the impression that having applications in for the NROTC scholarship for August was desirable? And I thought the student/cadet college application acceptance was indepenent of the ROTC award? Insight?

    Thank!
    Justamum
     
  13. Pima

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    You want to get the application in as soon as possible because it means you have more boards you can meet.

    The system works in a queue. First in, first to meet. The later you place your application in the pile, the more applicants will have to be boarded before yours.

    The point I was making is that typically the 1st board is going to award to the candidates that they know without a doubt they would get the scholarship. For others they might want to see a larger pool before making their determination.

    Posters get nervous when they are told they are being re-boarded. It is not necessarily a negative. It can be that they are on the cusp, and they want to make sure before they award the scholarship. Esp. for A/NROTC since the scholarship is tied to the unit too. There is a limited amount of money and slots to each unit. Every yr. in the spring they allow recipients to ask for a transfer, thus, they are also trying to lower the number of recipients requesting transfers.

    In the end you do want to be in early so you can meet more boards, but don't confuse that with getting an answer right out of the gate because you met the 1st board.

    Look at the old threads from last yr. I would guess the majority of the candidates find out starting in the Oct/Nov. time frame, with many of them finding out closer to Thanksgiving/Christmas. The 1st board is usually in late Aug., so as you can see it could be 5 more months from now before you know.

    College acceptance is independent of the scholarship award. It has no impact on what the ROTC board does.

    However, some college admissions do have a ROTC member sit on their boards. In that case, it is what I call push/pull. They may be aware of the fact that the applicant has a scholarship in hand, and can assist in admittance. Our DS (AFROTC), never applied to UNCCH and NYU, however in Feb., long after the application deadline date had passed, he received acceptances to both colleges. We learned later on that the ROTC Commanders sat on the admission boards, and saw his stats as a scholarship recipient. They were able to use their admissions connections to get him in because he was a strong match for both colleges. No, he did not attend either school, but that was when I learned about how a scholarship in hand can have an impact on SOME college admissions.
     
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  14. justamum

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    Pima,

    Ok...now I understand what you meant. And very surprising about the way the scholarship can pop up in an unexpected way!

    Thanks to you, and all, for your assistance and insight. The folder idea is excellent and I will go buy them this weekend. And of course...we will try to sit back and enjoy the ride...it just would be a whole lot more enjoyable without the tension...but you all know this only too well.

    No doubt I will be back with more questions before long.

    Best regards,
    Justamum
     
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    Most excellent...

    USMCGrunt,

    Thank you for that link, that was an excellent piece. My DS has NCSU as his No.2 school on the ROTC list. I'll have to see if he has the reading his school files.

    I worked close enough with and had an ample amout of friends where I can now say. Semper Fi !!

    Cheers:thumb:
     
  17. USMCGrunt

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    My pleasure! Glad it was useful.

    Semper Fi indeed!
     
  18. justamum

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    USMC,

    Exactly the kind of succinct document I was looking for. Thanks so much for sharing it! I have sent it along to DS...it will provide a great outline of whats coming ahead and help demystify some of it for him. Some of my fears have probably just been grounded in ignorance of the process...and I suspect for him too...but he's too stalwart to let it show! He was fortunate enough to get to attend the Summer Seminar so he knows the Academy application process and expectations are. I like how this document details the nexus between these two options.

    At this point he is saying he is going the Marine option. I am concerned because there are less selections for this scholarship but he says that's his path....so it shall be! Of course we support him whichever way he goes.

    Thanks again for the info,
    ~Justamum
     

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