I've heard this recently....

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  1. Goforit31@gmail.com

    Goforit31@gmail.com New Member

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    I've recently overheard some chatter of a new program army rotc is going to try to implement at least in my battalion of a program called CTE or CLE. Apparently it's a program between your ms1 and ms2 to go to a mandatory modified boot camp during the summer or something along those lines so as to better prepare us for LDAC. I really don't know much past that but I was wondering what you guys know or think about that?
     
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    We took a survey for Cadet Command regarding such a training event and whether we thought it would deter new cadets/prospects and if it would have impacted our decision to contract, etc. I'm not clear on the details other than what you have said, but I do know that Cadet Command definitely has some gears moving on it. I'm sure someone else on this forum is more knowledgeable about the program.
     
  3. sancontoa

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    There were rumors of that floating around ldac over the summer. These are complete rumors but I heard that they were going to have two mandatory summary training. After your ms1 year you go to something like a ctlt or basic and its taught by MS3 cdts. Then during your lDAC summer you go for two months and the first month you teach this ms1 "basic" and the second half you do stx/patrol lanes. Once again, I'm not sure how true this. Also all of this will be at fort knox
     
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    DS would LOVE that training.. He was looking for something to do this past summer to prepare for his MS1 year. Didn't find anything.. I know it is just rumors or talk, but I find it hard to believe that they would add another training with what is going on with budget cuts etc. Don't get me wrong, I think that would be fabulous and hope it will work out. Sounds like it would be perfect for these cadets to better prepare them.:shake:
     
  5. payitforward

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    I was thinking the exact thing -- DS would LOVE this sort of training in the summer.
     
  6. 1RIR

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    In 2016 LDAC will be renamed and become Cadet Leader Course (CLE).
     
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    You can look through older releases from Cadet Command on how they would eventually like to transform leader development training (LTC, LDAC, etc.). I believe they released something talking about this last spring (I believe Jcleppe posted something here).

    All of that is multiple years down the road, and with the size of Cadet Command, it takes lots of time to implement changes that big. And it could go nowhere, with them deciding to keep a system similar to the current one.

    I personally think there are a lot of changes that could occur to LDAC (and ROTC as a whole) that would make it a much better and more efficient course. I participated in a Regimental AAR survey at LDAC and left a lot of thoughts for them to read (or ignore).

    But for now, we have what we have, so we prepare for that.
     
  8. The OC Josh

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    We talked to the 3rd Brigade Commander last week.
    What he said the future looks like:

    2014:LDAC to Ft. Knox, LTC at Ft. Knox
    2015:New format for LDAC with Less soldier skills and up to CO level operations + a program between MS1 and MS2 year to focus on soldier skills like Marksmanship, Land Nav, etc. [This would be taught be MS3s] (No more LTC)


    Obviously, I'm just a cadet. Definitely don't speak for the BDE Commander. Or the Army. Or anyone official. This is all just scuttlebutt. Just from a really good source.
     
  9. Jcleppe

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    If there is no more LTC how will cadets that are entering their junior year join ROTC.
     
  10. kinnem

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    Hmmmm.... sounds like a great idea, really, and would more correspond to NROTC which has a training stint with pay, each summer. However, that's only for contracted midshipmen. I wonder how AROTC would address that. Would it be limited to contracted cadets? (Rhetorical question only... unless, of course, someone really knows the answer).
     
  11. Pima

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    Curiosity question, with the sequester budget still in place for next yr., how are they going to pay for now two summer training courses? Could it be the cutting of dets that saves them the money to offset the cost? Or it could be like kinnem said it will be limited to only contracted cadets, which means those scholarships will now really be a golden ticket.

    Just rhetorical I know :shake:! I know that AFROTC use to have a program when our DS was a 100 where contracted cadets went to a base for a month (sim. to the AFA program), but that went the way of the Doo Doo bird at least 4 yrs ago when they started trimming the AF budget.
     
  12. QA1517

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    They have 2 programs in place now with LTC and LDAC.

    If they do away with LTC then they are really just re-aligning the money, and with everything being located at one base instead of 2 then that should be a cost savings (in theory).

    My thought, based upon what I heard when DS was at LTC this year, is that in the future ROTC will be a true 4 year program. There will be no joining before your junior year and just taking LTC and 2 yrs at school. The program will be revamped so that the first 2 yrs are more crucial.

    Possibly the first year is a test drive but if you go to the proposed summer camp between your MSI and MSII year and pass, then you will be offered a contract, be eligible for other summer camps (CULP, etc) then go to LDAC after your MSIII year.

    If in fact LDAC is going to be longer in length, then cadets will not have time to attend other schools such as airborne, CTLT, or others.

    These are just my thoughts and like everyone else, really don't know what will take place.
     
  13. Pima

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    Thanks for explaining how it is actually a cost savings.

    So are you saying that they cannot join in their sophomore yr unless you will be in college for 5 yrs since it will now be a 4 yr program?

    Just makes it curious for me regarding cadets that may not think about joining until their soph yr., or the cadets after a yr in AF/NROTC decide to switch to AROTC, how will it work for them, will they need to extend their graduation date?
     
  14. QA1517

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    Either extend graduation or double up on MSI/MSII classes and attend camp after their MSII year. Don't know, pure speculation.

    How about this. With the potential for further down sizing, maybe transfers would not be accepted. Maybe if you do not have that previously mentioned Golden Ticket of an AROTC scholarship, you do not commission into the army.

    Maybe all scholarships will go to 3 year scholarships and only be offered to those that contract after the summer camp between their MSI and MSII years.

    Or possibly show your dedication and commitment your first year, receive a 3yr scholarship your second year, sign a contract between your second and third year if you want to continue scholarship, commission and serve, or opt out between your second and third year with no payback and no further scholarship.
     
  15. MemberLG

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    Sound likes something similar to West Point's military training program

    1st year - Cadet Basic Training, with juniors and seniors instructing
    2nd year - Cadet Field Training, with juniors and senior instructing
    3nd and 4th year - training underclassmen + academic or military training.

    Current WP cadets can add how much military training they do.
     
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    When would this be implemented?....If I'm currently a contracted MS 1 now would it effect me this summer?
     
  17. kinnem

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    It's all just rumors and twinkles in folks eyes at this point. Until your cadre tells you otherwise, things will go along as today. I certainly wouldn't anticipate any changes this summer. Apply to summer training programs or get a job, whichever your prefer.
     
  18. Thompson

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    To put to put it in perspective - it's basically like (I think) being an AS250, where you would show up your soph. year and double up on both Air 150 and 250.

    2nd question - if I remember correctly for those who at least completed the first two years of their respective branches ROTC, they are not required to take the first two years of ROTC for Army - their 2 years in the prior branch somehow supplements that - i think, don't hold me to my word on this.
     
  19. khergan

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    We had the opportunity to talk to MG Smith in Spring of this year. He mentioned that the plan is to institute a program like one that you guys are talking about. The idea would be to do a crash course, sort of like BCT, which would teach the cadets their basic army skills. This would include land nav, rifle marksmanship, drill & ceremony, PT, etc.

    Now, this was a proposal that Cadet Command had submitted to DA. Whether or not this comes to fruition in this time of budget battles and downsizing is a total crapshoot.

    Like everyone else said, until it actually becomes a real event, I wouldn't worry too much about it. If anything, if it comes to pass, it will help MS1s gain basic military skills and set them up better for LDAC.
     

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