January 4, 2011 AROTC Board

jkcksoup, I think you me and a few other regulars are hanging over for the March board. I think its pretty well done for January (though I saw Clarkson stated he hasn't heard that the letters have officially gone out). See you on the other thread - may it be a brief and uneventful one - I'm hearing that DC is talking less shut down and more compromise, a good thing for getting the boards thru with less drama I hope.

Take care.:smile:

Thanks Ohio :smile:
I'm not sure what direction all this will take (after the March board), but I pray the best for you and your family. You have been a great encouragement to check in with everyday this past month. :thumb:
Thanks again and see you on the next thread.:wink:
 
jkcksoup, I think you me and a few other regulars are hanging over for the March board. I think its pretty well done for January (though I saw Clarkson stated he hasn't heard that the letters have officially gone out). See you on the other thread - may it be a brief and uneventful one - I'm hearing that DC is talking less shut down and more compromise, a good thing for getting the boards thru with less drama I hope.

Take care.:smile:

Fat lady hasn't officially sung yet, but I think she is warming up. You are not alone if you have to hang over till March. I believe there are several of us here.
 
Fat lady hasn't officially sung yet, but I think she is warming up. You are not alone if you have to hang over till March. I believe there are several of us here.

We are still here too. Although not a very vocal member of this thread we do appreciate the fellowship.
 
Awesome, saw the status change today. Fingers crossed for official word next week hopefully! :biggrin:
 
Awesome, saw the status change today. Fingers crossed for official word next week hopefully! :biggrin:

Congrats, Crusader 6!!! CC is still updating!!! Prolly will take Sunday off and back at it on Monday. Friday night must have really been a downer for you.
 
Short answer is likely no. My DS did not interview with any of the PMSs from any of his AROTC scholarship schools. He had a local ROTC PMS take care of it. DS's status changed yesterday (still waiting for confirmation from CC), so it didn't appear to matter at all where he did the interview. All of the ROTC cadre are on the same team.

It used to be that scholarships were handled locally by the schools. In that case, it would have DEFINITELY mattered. However, CC has since gone to a centralized process, so the lesson for future folks is that it is less important now where you interview.

The only issue is that a cadre member may award more points to an applicant if s/he knows that the applicant is interested in the cadre member's school. Bottom line is the safest thing is to show up at the #1 so you don't have to worry about it.

In your case, I wouldn't really about it. It definitely didn't matter for my DS and it very likely didn't matter for your's.

MESSAGE TO ALL POSTERS: Is there anyone else here on SAF who did the 4yr interview at a school that was not on the school choice list, but nevertheless had a status change this week?? Or is my DS all alone in this aspect?

Yes, my son interviewed at Xavier U. in Cincinnati and was up front with the person who interviewed him that he was not applying there. He applied to 5 schools out of state and his status changed this week.
 
Yes, my son interviewed at Xavier U. in Cincinnati and was up front with the person who interviewed him that he was not applying there. He applied to 5 schools out of state and his status changed this week.

I think the more folks who post similar experiences, the more comforting it might be for those who haven't had a status change yet. Independence, did you have the same thoughts in your head while waiting for the status change that perhaps it might have been better to interview at the schools to which your DS was applying?

MESSAGE TO CC LURKERS: The Air Force deals with this issue by REQUIRING applicants to interview at the local AFROTC unit. That seems to be a better system to me. Since there is no "suggestion box" at CC, I'm posting this suggestion here.
 
Marist, the issue is not related to the campus scholarships that become available when one walks on to AROTC. I was talking about the mandatory interview for the national 4yr. AROTC scholarship, which is handled centrally in Ft. Knox. Question was whether it helps for a candidate to show up at the School #1 school or whether that can be done by visiting the nearest ROTC unit. In the case of my DS, it didn't appear to matter (still holding my breath, though).

Of course, if one doesn't get the 4yr, and shows up at a school and doesn't participate in the battalion, it makes sense that s/he won't be high on the list for 3yr/2yr scholarships.

In regards to the interview:

I can be reasonably certain that our school is the student's first choice if a student has traveled far to be interviewed at our school even though there are closer schools to their home that are on their list.

If I believe that we are a student's first choice then I keep in regular contact with the student, the student's parents, the student's high school guidance team, and the JROTC staff if that student is a cadet. I advise them when deadlines are approaching and notify them when transcripts and letters of recommendation are received. I arrange meetings with professors in their field of study and players and coaches of teams that they are interested in. I then advocate on their behalf with the Admissions department. If they are just below the normal qualifications for our school, I can usually pull them up over the line. Especially if they applied early decision.

If I believe that we are the student's fourth of fifth choice then I let them fend for themselves. I spend about 90% of my effort on the 10% of the prospects that show the most interest in our school.
 
I think the more folks who post similar experiences, the more comforting it might be for those who haven't had a status change yet. Independence, did you have the same thoughts in your head while waiting for the status change that perhaps it might have been better to interview at the schools to which your DS was applying?

MESSAGE TO CC LURKERS: The Air Force deals with this issue by REQUIRING applicants to interview at the local AFROTC unit. That seems to be a better system to me. Since there is no "suggestion box" at CC, I'm posting this suggestion here.

Patentesq,

No, we weren't too concerned about that since my son was assured that it was common and would not be held against him. Our biggest concern is that if he is fortunate enough to receive a scholarship to his #1 choice (Notre Dame) and accepts it, but later finds out in early April that he has not been admitted. In cases like this. how difficult is it to transfer the scholarship to another college from his original 5 college list where he has been accepted? Does this happen often or is it a rare event?
 
Patentesq,

No, we weren't too concerned about that since my son was assured that it was common and would not be held against him. Our biggest concern is that if he is fortunate enough to receive a scholarship to his #1 choice (Notre Dame) and accepts it, but later finds out in early April that he has not been admitted. In cases like this. how difficult is it to transfer the scholarship to another college from his original 5 college list where he has been accepted? Does this happen often or is it a rare event?

Independence, I think if CC tells you that Notre Dame is the place they want your DS to go, I would immediately get on the phone with the ND Admissions Office and explain that you have received a scholarship and ask if they can give you an early decision on the admission decision. You may want to talk to ND AROTC first before placing the call to ND admissions, because they know the "lay of the land" better.
 
In regards to the interview:

I can be reasonably certain that our school is the student's first choice if a student has traveled far to be interviewed at our school even though there are closer schools to their home that are on their list.

If I believe that we are a student's first choice then I keep in regular contact with the student, the student's parents, the student's high school guidance team, and the JROTC staff if that student is a cadet. I advise them when deadlines are approaching and notify them when transcripts and letters of recommendation are received. I arrange meetings with professors in their field of study and players and coaches of teams that they are interested in. I then advocate on their behalf with the Admissions department. If they are just below the normal qualifications for our school, I can usually pull them up over the line. Especially if they applied early decision.

If I believe that we are the student's fourth of fifth choice then I let them fend for themselves. I spend about 90% of my effort on the 10% of the prospects that show the most interest in our school.

I totally understand and appreciate what you're saying, Marist College ROTC. Kudos to you and clarksonarmy for watching out for your applicants. However, at least for my DS, I'm not so sure my DS has formed a clear choice yet (although he does have a preliminary preference right now), because there are so many variables in play that are not yet resolved. I don't believe my DS is unique in this regard.

Let's suppose DS decides to go the AROTC route (as opposed to SA). He's listed School A, School B, and School C, and each are non-host schools. How does anyone -- let alone an 18 year old -- reach an informed decision about which school is better? Is it because mommy or daddy attended that school? To make that decision, I think he will have to at least spend an overnight and really spend a LOT of effort to investigate further. And does it make sense to go down that road when there is an extremely, extremely low probability of admission at each school? Or is it better to just take a "wait and see" approach?

The other thing for him to consider is the whole "Host v. Non-Host" issue. School D, School E, and School F all have AROTC units on campus (but Schools A-C are pushing very hard to have on-campus units in the fall). Right now, assuming it's the AROTC route that he selects, School D is the tentative preferred choice for him, but that was based on a 1-hour tour of that campus this past summer (he also visited Schools A-C and E-F).

And what if CC tells my DS in the coming days that he only has a scholarship to School F? If that happens, then School D had better be worth $200,000 more than School F (if he decides to turn down the scholarship at School F and try to walk on to the AROTC unit at School D). I don't think ANY school is worth $200,000 than another, but we'll have to see. For example, DS could receive a non-ROTC merit scholarship to School D, turn down the AROTC scholarship at School F, and then walk on to AROTC at School D and see if he really likes it before assuming a service obligation.

Fate will guide my DS through this process in the next couple of months, and one can really go crazy to try to make decisions with so much uncertainty involved. This is why my DS has taken the "wait and see" approach. In the coming days, I suspect CC will be making decisions FOR our DS/DDs, when the Jan. 4., 2011 Board school choices are posted!!!!

Bottom line, my personal view is that anyone who places all of their cards into a single school is taking on a lot of unnecessary risk. That's essentially what I did back when I was in high school. I wonder whether my life would have been markedly different right now if I wasn't admitted to my first choice school way back when.

I'm just glad to hear that CC understands many kids are in the same boat as mine and that the "system" doesn't necessarily hold "indecision" against them. For sure, I definitely have a lot of respect for the PMS where my DS interviewed who gave him a max interview score despite the knowledge that DS was not interested in PMS's school. That PMS has continued to take an active interest in my DS, though, and has continued to correspond with my DS via email. My DS will likely be happy send him an update in a few days. Who knows, this PMS may ultimately be my DS's Brigade Commander in a foreign land some day.
 
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Independence, I think if CC tells you that Notre Dame is the place they want your DS to go, I would immediately get on the phone with the ND Admissions Office and explain that you have received a scholarship and ask if they can give you an early decision on the admission decision. You may want to talk to ND AROTC first before placing the call to ND admissions, because they know the "lay of the land" better.

Thanks Patentesq, that sounds like very good advise. Just hope my DS is in a position in a week or so to use it!
 
Patentesq,

I totally agree. In the beginning, DS had a clear number one, but had to apply to the in state school just in case. He is still waiting to hear from the academies to get a clear picture. His list is jumbled a bit. He has been in contact with the top three schools, but we are waiting for the picture to clear a bit before visiting. Sometimes the picture is not clear cut. I wish it were. When you set your sights and goals very high some are not met, but we have encouraged him to shoot for the moon. At this point everything is still in play. If he had to make the decision today, I believe he could without much hesitation, but until we get word from all parties, we wait...patiently.
 
Thanks Ohio :smile:
I'm not sure what direction all this will take (after the March board), but I pray the best for you and your family. You have been a great encouragement to check in with everyday this past month. :thumb:
Thanks again and see you on the next thread.:wink:

Fat lady hasn't officially sung yet, but I think she is warming up. You are not alone if you have to hang over till March. I believe there are several of us here.

We are still here too. Although not a very vocal member of this thread we do appreciate the fellowship.

Glad for the company-the wait won't be as bad this time, we're used to it.:wink:
 
Awesome, saw the status change today. Fingers crossed for official word next week hopefully! :biggrin:

When was the last time you checked prior to then? I ask because it could have been updated and you didn't see it immediately, or there really are updates still being made (hopefully:confused:). This is possible seeing how the previous boards did release over several days; the feel I got from the ROO at my 1st choice school was that there have been past instances where updates have come very late, and yes, even on Sundays. So while most unlikely, it is possible.

Congrats to everyone who has heard so far! Hopefully it's been as nice of a weekend elsewhere to celebrate as here in SW Ohio.
 
Catching Up

Based on the 400 or so posts since I last looked on Wednesday, I assume something happened. If I correctly followed the blog corectly , it is assumed that if the status of DS changed from "you have been selected for an interview" to something about checking DODMERG then I think we may have good news. I had lunch with DS Friday and he told me of such a change but we didn't think much about it until now. I'm assuming based on this site that this may be a good sign but can't get back to the ROTC status site. Is it down now?

FYI, DS choices were Georgia Tech and Clemson. He interviewed at GT but we recieved a letter telling us that his interview was recieved at Clemson. I don't recall who it was from.

Good luck to all
 
When was the last time you checked prior to then? I ask because it could have been updated and you didn't see it immediately, or there really are updates still being made (hopefully:confused:). This is possible seeing how the previous boards did release over several days; the feel I got from the ROO at my 1st choice school was that there have been past instances where updates have come very late, and yes, even on Sundays. So while most unlikely, it is possible.

Congrats to everyone who has heard so far! Hopefully it's been as nice of a weekend elsewhere to celebrate as here in SW Ohio.

This is likely the case, I didn't check on Friday. I hadn't been on the forums that day and didn't see where people were mentioning status changes. Thanks! Definitely nice to see something after all of the talk about not knowing what was going on with scholarship reductions and the like. Now I just have to make sure that it is for the right school...
 
Short answer is likely no. My DS did not interview with any of the PMSs from any of his AROTC scholarship schools. He had a local ROTC PMS take care of it. DS's status changed yesterday (still waiting for confirmation from CC), so it didn't appear to matter at all where he did the interview. All of the ROTC cadre are on the same team.

It used to be that scholarships were handled locally by the schools. In that case, it would have DEFINITELY mattered. However, CC has since gone to a centralized process, so the lesson for future folks is that it is less important now where you interview.

The only issue is that a cadre member may award more points to an applicant if s/he knows that the applicant is interested in the cadre member's school. Bottom line is the safest thing is to show up at the #1 so you don't have to worry about it.

In your case, I wouldn't really about it. It definitely didn't matter for my DS and it very likely didn't matter for your's.

MESSAGE TO ALL POSTERS: Is there anyone else here on SAF who did the 4yr interview at a school that was not on the school choice list, but nevertheless had a status change this week?? Or is my DS all alone in this aspect?

Hi Patentesq- Yep- My DS interviewed locally and he had the status change this week and all 4 of his choices were out of state (if that is indeed what you are asking) Of course the local school tried to lure him over but he was set on a SMA
 
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