JROTC Nominations

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  1. jojohn246

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    Does anyone know how many JROTC nominations each academy uses/fills/gets (I'm honestly not sure what term to use) each year? Are they weighted less than any other nomination, i.e. the SA would look to fill as many other nomination slots before they start appointing candidates with JROTC nominations? Also, if someone already has the JROTC nomination from their instructor, how competitive is it to get in when competing against other candidates with a JROTC nomination? Thanks in advance for any help someone can give me.
     
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    USMA can appoint upto 20 cadets using ROTC/JROTC nomination. The number of ROTC nomination is not limited, so the maximum number of appointments is what matters. I believe on avearge, USMA uses 12 to 16 ROTC/JROTC nominations. If USMA appoints maximum authorized cadets per nomination caterogry, they are gong to go over their class size limit. USMA looks to fill the class with best candidates within their composition goals (i.e something like 30% academics, 30 leaders%, 30% athletes, and etc.). They are not looking to fill specific nomination slots first. There are mandated slots (i.e. Congressional, Presidential, and etc), but filling those slots allow meeting the composition goals and other nomination category are used to complete the composition goal.

    So having a JROTC nomination helps a candidate if West Point wants the candidate based on individual qualification and the class composition goal, but don't have any other nomination or didn't win the Congressional vacancy. It happens, but I don't recall a candidate with JROTC/ROTC nomination only.
     
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    Correct me if I am wrong MemberLG, but in order to eligible for the JROTC Nom they must be a part of a Distinguished Unit?
     
  4. Pima

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    I thought that too NavyHoops.

    Iows, just because you are in a JROTC unit, does not mean you will get a ROTC nomination.

    I may be incorrect, but this is not just a JROTC nomination, it is actually a ROTC nomination. The cadet/mid in ROTC at any college would go against the candidate in HS in JROTC from a distinguished unit. It is not just a nomination for JROTC. ROTC at college does not need to be a distinguished unit since they are college.
     
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    Per the USMA ROTC nomination form, Army JROTC doesn't have to a Distinguished unit. For non-Army JROTC units, there are two additional requirement, Honor Grad and the unit being a Distinguished unit.
     
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    I don't recall ever seeing statistics from any of the SAs what the break down was of JROTC vs. ROTC nom appointments. It would seem to me (my DS had only a JROTC nom to USNA and got the TWE) that a JROTC nom would be hard to overcome an ROTC nom. The JROTC applicant has only his/her high school stats, and the ROTC nom has his/her first semester college stats that hopefully show success at the college level and may also be a re-applicant. So I would think from that viewpoint, it would be tougher to score an appointment with a JROTC nom only. Just my thoughts.
     
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    AFJROTC nomination...the unit must be a Distinguished Unit.
    Actual wording:

    HONOR MILITARY SCHOOLS AND AIR FORCE RESERVE OFFICER TRAINING CORPS (The Group)
    Members of college and high school honor Air Force Reserve Officer Training Corps (AFROTC and AFJROTC) units may also apply in this category. Five students from each detachment may be nominated to compete for the authorized vacancies. Students should apply for a nomination to their professor of aerospace studies or aerospace science instructor who will recommend nominees to the head of the institution.

    This means if your AFJROTC unit is an "honor" unit (think Distinguished, with merit, etc.) you may apply; the SASI/ASI will do the paperwork with you, and it is forwarded to HQ AFJROTC and they take it from there. There are ONLY 20 appointments from ALL categories of this group.

    Steve
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    Thank you all for your responses, they definitely answered my questions. Two more questions however, for the USAFA, do you know the amount of candidates that get appointments through the ROTC/JROTC nomination category are from high school JROTC units? Also, what are the rules regarding other service JROTC programs? I am in a Navy JROTC program that is a distinguished unit with academic honors, and I believe that my instructor can nominate people for the academies, but I am not totally sure.
     
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    Ask your senior naval science instructor; they should know.

    Steve
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    jojohn246 your SNI can nominate up to 5 people per SA with exceptions being USCGA and USMMA.
     
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    My DS received a NJROTC Honor Unit Nomination and Presidential. We are hoping to some some good news from USAFA. Overall, he has submitted a very good candidate package.
     
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    To add some of my insight into competitiveness of the ROTC nom:
    - Pretty much everyone who applies for it, gets it. I've not heard of anyone getting turned down for it. If some people are turned down, it's extremely rare.
    - You can apply to the same branch academy as your JROTC without being an honor unit. e.g. All AJROTC units can apply for USMA nominations, All NJROTC units can apply for USNA nominations. Honor units w/ distinction may apply to any or all academies.
    - Some 200-400 nominations are granted every year for 20 slots to each academy. Whereas with an MOC nomination, you would be competing with at most 9 other people, you compete with at least 9 other people with the ROTC nom.
    - Most ROTC nom candidates are 3Q (~75%), whereas only half of MOC candidates are 3Q. With an ROTC nom, you are now competing with at least 7-8 people. With MOC nom, you would be competing with 4 other people.

    Without accounting for merit:
    - Someone with only an ROTC nomination would have a 12% (or lower) chance at receiving an appointment.
    - Someone with only an MOC nomination would have a 20% chance at receiving an appointment. Please note: These estimations are based on average districts. The competitiveness of your district would obviously change this.

    This is why it's important to apply for as many nominations as you are eligible for! More nominations = more areas to compete.

    More important notes:
    - The statistics above are represented in assuming someone has only one nomination. Use your brain to determine how the above information is relevant to you. e.g Someone with both an ROTC and MOC nomination is more likely to receive appointment with the MOC nomination, and therefore, less likely to receive appointment with the ROTC nomination.
    - The academies usually don't use up their ROTC nomination slots. They have 20 available, only 16 are usually filled. The statistics above were represented as if all 20 spots were filled. Adjust accordingly.

    In conclusion, a nomination is a nomination. If you are the best and most stunning candidate, you'll be sure to get in no matter which nomination you have.
     
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