Just Wondering....

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  1. B_rad_is_rad

    B_rad_is_rad New Member

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    So I've done everything in my portal (its all green), have a nomination (Presidential), and will be meeting with my Senators and Congressman in Dec. I am just waiting to hear back from West Point in February at this point right?
     
  2. GoArmyBeatNavy

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    i recommend continued testing on the ACT AND the SAT.
     
  3. tug_boat

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    You're on your way

    Yes, if everything is green and you have a prez nom, you're on your way. If possible, you can retake the ACT and SAT to better your score. There is still time to take the tests a few more times. This will improve your WCS. You may hear something sooner (hopefully). Keep in contact with your FFR and RC. Nice job!

    Push Hard, Press Forward
     
  4. B_rad_is_rad

    B_rad_is_rad New Member

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    Thank you! this whole wait game kinda sucks:frown:
     
  5. BlackKnight2016

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    You may be surprised how many awards and honors might continue to trickle in over the next 3 months. Last year our DS, now at USMA, on a monthly basis would submit to his school counselor updates - that were forwarded to Admissions. Out of the blue in November he learned that he was the Rotary student of the month for his school and attended a lunch. (There was no scholarship money involved and he was 1 of 9 students chosen over the course of the school year) After submission of the data, on his portal, another activity description poped up because of this "small" honor - "County, City or State Government Award". As football season ends, many kids are getting another year of lettering in a Varsity sport or receving team awards for Most Inspirational... Focus on improving your ACT and SAT scores before February, but don't discount the other honors or new leadership positions you may take on between now and then. Every point can help your WCS.
     
  6. bumper57

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    Impact on chances when recruited athlete in my District

    DS has been told by her Regional Admin Officer that she is the #1 canidate in the district. Has LOE, overnight visit and SLS. She just found out that there is a recruited athelete from her HS who has just got a LOA. How does this impact her chances of an appointment?
     
  7. kinnem

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    Perhaps not at all. Certainly the fact that the person who received the LOA is from the same high school has no impact. Let's say they both get a nomination from your MOC. If she is in the same slate and they want her, and it sounds like they do, then they'll find another nomination to charge the LOA holder to so they can get both. Also, even though the other kid has an LOA, he still needs to get a nomination and be medically qualified. LOA holders sometimes drop by the wayside, unfortunately. Or LOA holder could decide on another school entirely.

    In any case, there is nothing to do except keep pushing ahead.This has always been a difficult and competitive game your engaged in. This doesn't change that... at worse it's just more of the same.
     
  8. BlackKnight2016

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    "Let's say they both get a nomination from your MOC. If she is in the same slate and they want her, and it sounds like they do, then they'll find another nomination to charge the LOA holder to so they can get both."

    Maybe someone with a bit more experience can help with this answer. I understood that an LOA candidate only needs a nomination not the principal nomination to receive the appointment. This means the LOA candidate could receive 2-10 on the MOC nomination list and be fine. For your DS he will need to win the primary nomination or if it is the slate submited to WP, have the highest WCS to win the WP appointment. Both kids can receive an appointment with nominations from the same congressperson. This happened all the time when LOA's were more prevelant. I don't follow the previous posters concept that they will need to find another nomination source to charge the LOA to.
     
  9. bumper57

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    Thank you Blacknight 2016. Would like to her from the moderator if possible on this situation. Stress at the house is high!
     
  10. buff81

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    BlackKnight2016 is correct.
    A LOA candidate only needs to be on the slate to get a nom.

    Backing up a bit to your question. How does a recruited athlete in your district with a LOA affect your DD's chances.
    It depends. :wink:
    WP is obviously very interested in your DD with her acceptance to SLS and a LOE which enables her to go on an overnight visit.
    The icing on the cake is that the Regional Commander has told her that she is #1 in her district.

    So, let's assume that she is 3Q'd (which assumes medical is fine as well as the CFA).

    Now she needs a nom.
    Hopefully she has applied to all the noms that she is qualified for - which at a minimum is her 2 Senators, her Congressional Representative and the VP.

    Her best chance is with the the Congressional Representative as there is less competition - numbers wise.

    All MOCs (Senators and Reps) can submit one of 3 kinds of slates:
    1) Competitive - MOC submits list to WP and they rank the candidates 1-10 based on WCS.
    2) Principal with ranked alternates - MOC lists their choices for the nom 1-10 based on their own criteria. #1 will get the appointment, if 3Q'd even if a superstar is ranked lower.
    3) Principal with unranked alternates - MOC puts their top choice as #1 and then the other 9 are listed unranked. WP will rank the other 9 based on WCS. The #1 will get the appointment if 3Q'd. If not 3Q'd, then down the list to the first 3Q'd candidate.

    So - it really depends on what kind of slate your MOCs submit. If the LOA from her school is submitted on a Principal slate as #1, he/she will get the appointment, if 3Q'd - regardless of whether you DD had a higher WCS than the LOA candidate.

    The best situation for your DD would be:
    1) To be on a Competitive Slate. Her RC said that she was #1 in the district, so it can be assumed that she has the highest WCS in the district and therefore would be #1 on the slate. If 3Q'd, she would get the appointment. On the competitive slate, the LOA would be lower than your DD but can still get the appointment because they will have a nom even if not in the #1 spot.
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    2) Be #1 on a Principal slate, ranked or unranked. The LOA could still be on these slates and get the appointment, since they will have a nom, even if not in the #1 spot.

    Worst case scenario for your DD - the MOC submits a Principal slate and lists the 3Q'd LOA as the #1. Even then, it's not the end of the world as she will go on the NWL. Depending on how high her WCS is compared to the rest of those on the NWL will determine her chances of an appointment off the NWL.

    If you don't know what kind of slate your MOCs submit, sometimes they say on their website. If not, you can call them and ask.

    If she is 3Q'd prior to her MOC interviews, this tells the MOCs that WP has found her qualified for an appointment. This would be a sure appointment if they give her the slot.

    So as you see - it depends. :wink:

    I understand the stress. It's been 4 years since we were in your shoes and I can still feel the anxiety of the wait.
    And you can really over think all this and cause yourself extra stress.
    IMPO - she is in a good place. WP wants her.
    Trust the process. :thumb:
     
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    Buff 81- Great job! Thanks so much for the clear and detailed response. We are all hoping for the best. The MOC (HR) office said that they submit an unranked slate, which is somewhat like you described. Also looking to hear from Senators. DD keeps working hard. Thanks again.
     
  12. PBA

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    Any idea how many were plulled off the NWL in 2012 ?
     
  13. bumper57

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    thanks Buff81 for your detailed and quick response. DD asked MOC (HR) and they told her the slate was "unranked". She will continue to work hard and do her best.
     
  14. SA2017

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    I would like to know too.
     
  15. tug_boat

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    WCS

    They use your WCS to determine your place on the NWL. This why it is extremely important to score your highest on the ACT and SAT. Any new cert or award you receive after you completed your app and before the dead lines should be sent in to be included in your file. Any new leadership should be exploited to raise your WCS. There is a break down on the SAF of the WCS located on the SAF.


    Push Hard, Press Forward
     
  16. buff81

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    You're welcome.
    Sounds like the MOC submits a Competitive slate.
    Great she is continuing to work hard. Now is not the time to slack off as it is possible for someone to pass her in WCS points.
     
  17. buff81

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    I have no idea. All I heard was that very few came came off.

    This year could be very different though without rolling admissions and virtually no LOAs.
     

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