LOA score range

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  1. thunderbird12

    thunderbird12 Member

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    I got my recent ACT scores back and my composite was a 31 but this was my second time taking it. Combined with my first test, my composite is a 32.
    Individual scores are as follows:
    English-34
    Math-35
    Reading-31
    Science-27
    Writing-33 (I took the ACT plus writing for other academies)

    As for my SATs, they are my weaker test. I have a 2010 overall with a 1310 CR and Math subscore.
    Individual scores: CR=620, Math=690, Writing= 700

    any advice on if these scores are good enough for a letter of assurance. Along with other factors (which i would like to know), do i have a chance at receiving one?

    Any comments and suggestions welcome.
     
  2. Bundy

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    First, congratulations on your outstanding test scores. Very impressive.

    Based on personal experience with our son who received an LOA and is now going through "Beast" in the class of 2014 (Like a Machine!) my hunch is that LOAs are most often used for athletic recruits who otherwise meet the academic standards and "total person" criteria the Academy always looks for.

    But this brings up an interesting question. Can anyone speak to other unique attributes a candidate may have that might merit an LOA?
     
  3. Seamonkeydo

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    LOA's should not be the goal. Your best is what you are looking for. I know someone who got one this year. Your grades are a bit lower, but it was his overall package that did the trick. He was heavily involved leadership wise and was only slightly involved in sports (home schooled).

    Good luck.
     
  4. Dadandgrad

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    My son is also at Beast along with Bundy's and the rest of 2014 (Like a Machine!) (that'll get old quick I bet!) and he received LOA's to USAFA and USNA. He is not a recruited athlete. I agree with Seamokeydo's comments. While having an LOA is reassuring and it's nice to know early only a small number of the class will receive them. My son had a strong overall package with very high class rank, ACT scores, leadership roles and varsity athletics. For your ACT you don't need to average both your ACT's. Rather, USAFA, USNA and USMA all "superscore" your tests and take the best from each section. You have great scores but I would recommend trying once more and study to get your science above 30. If you have extracurricular activities with leadership positions and athletics you have the making of a strong candidate file. It also depends where you live as some areas of the country are more competitive than others. I also strong recommend you submit your file early so it is reviewed by one of the first admissions boards. Good luck!
     
  5. Christcorp

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    Yes, there are 2 very important parts of LOA's that have been brought up here. 1: LOA's are NOT intended for Athletes. Not that some athletes don't get them, they do, but that is NOT what they are designed for. Yes, the athletics department has "X" amount of LOA's (Mind you I said athletics department, NOT just the football team or whatever). The rest of the air force academy also has "X" amount that they give out. So, what they heck then IS an LOA???

    When applying to a civilian college, do you remember the term or phrase, "APPLYING FOR EARLY ADMISSIONS"? Well, THAT is an LOA. When you had those Kick-Butt scores and you applied for Early Admissions to The UniversityofwherevertheheckIamgoing, and they OFFERED YOU early admissions, they are hoping you will be uber excited, and accept their school. This way you won't turn around and accept another school. They are competing for your business. Well, so is the academies. And when they see someone that they REALLY WANT, they offer them an LOA. This is to impress you, make you feel special, get you to say yes, and hopefully stop you from looking any further at other schools. For what it's worth, the Air Force Academy will/can offer an LOA to someone who has their ENTIRE APPLICATION COMPLETED, minus a nomination and possibly their medical clearance. But everything else MUST BE COMPLETED. The Army on the other hand, offers LOA's all the way starting in August. They base it sometimes just off of ACT/SAT/GPA and the profile application your provided. All of the LOA still say you must complete the application, get a nomination, bla bla bla... But it most DEFINITELY IS NOT something just for athletes. Matter of fact, the majority of those who receive an LOA, have nothing to do with being a recruited athlete.

    2: As already said, forget that LOA's even exist. you CAN'T apply for them. You have absolutely NO SAY on whether you get one or not. There isn't a darn thing you can do to "Increase your chances" of getting one. So FORGET IT EXISTS. If you get one, great. If you don't, then you're part of the majority. And normally, I don't even respond to LOA questions because of all of this. But I did feel compelled to correct the part about athletes. The two have nothing to do with each other. Other than yes, some athletes get them. Well, considering that 90% of all academy applicants received a varsity letter in sports, there's a real good chance that someone who got an LOA was an athlete.

    "Sorry, but there's still this stereotype, even when applying to the academy, that "Jocks are dumb". Or that academy athletes didn't have to reach the same standards. They do have to meet the same standards. Here's the real difference. The average applicant's scores are WAY ABOVE THE MINIMUM STANDARD. But the average applicant isn't a recruited athlete. Football as an example. They will recruit 50-60 for football. (Even though only about 20 will still be on the team their senior year). Of those 50-60, a handful also attended the prep school. Of the other 50-55, some were offered LOA's. The majority were in the same pool of people competing for the same nominations as you. Many, like my son, had actually received an early appointment in the end of October. (No, not an LOA. He already had a presidential Nomination, so they went straight to an appointment.) But an early appointment, would have been an LOA, if he still needed a nomination. Same purpose as the "Early Admissions". Get you excited and not accept another school. Anyway, my son was also a recruited football player. But he already had an appointment by the time they were even thinking of LOA's, let alone for some athletes.

    So, as mentioned, don't look into LOA's. Don't expect an LOA. There is absolutely NOTHING you can do to get an LOA. You can be the 4.0gpa, 32ACT, #1 class ranked, etc... and NOT GET AN LOA. For what it's worth, I know personally of a 4.0gpa, 33ACT, 2240SAT, Class president, #1 ranking student...... And they DIDN'T RECEIVE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE ACADEMY. They did get a nomination and they passed the physical, but they didn't receive an appointment. They are starting their 4th year at Yale this fall. Anyway, I hope this sort of explains part of the LOA. I don't normally go into details, because it doesn't matter. you have no control over it, so why worry about it. later... mike....\
     
  6. Bundy

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    Great insights, Christcorp. Thanks for the clarification. I'm still new to a lot of this.

    Something else to consider...it may have also been Chrsitcorp who once said on this forum, "Do you know what they call someone on inprocessing day who received an LOA and an appointment vs. someone who received an appointment without an LOA? The same thing: "basic cadet."
     
  7. Pima

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    I agree with what everyone has stated about LOA's. To add my 0.0198765 cents in. LOA's should be viewed as a recruitment tool. That is why some believe it is for athletics, when in reality it is for the very high achieving candidate. Like CC stated you can have high academic stats and not receive one because as you spent time hitting the books you neglected your ECs. This is about the WHOLE CANDIDATE, not just the athletic or academic portion.

    People every yr this time get wrapped up in the hopes of getting that LOA. What they fail to recognize is that only about 10% of the appointees are LOA. If I recall correctly, they say typically only 150 are given. Now look at how many are deemed applicants, that is about 6000, 3000 of them will get noms. Do the math, the odds are high against getting one, you have to really shine.

    Your stats are strong, but they are not out the door OMG if you look at the incoming class stats. The class of 12 median for M was 680, Verbal was 653. I believe the composite was 31 for ACT and I think Science was 28.

    Now do not go OMG I am on the cusp and start freaking out. That is not my intention, my intention is to make you understand that you are the traditional cadet academically, but traditional is not where they hand out the LOAs.

    Spend the time this summer and make sure you have no holes in your packet. If you look weak in one area work on it. Before you know it you will be getting one of those time honored BFEs and people will be telling you to bubble wrap yourself.

    As it has been said earlier, it is true, the cadet that has an LOA is the same as the cadet that didn't have one. There is no guarantee of being more successful at the AFA just because you got an LOA. Once there you all are seen the exact same.
     
  8. thunderbird12

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    ive been seeing that the key no matter what is to get the file completed early. But as of now, when i checked my online file for USAFA, the real application has not even opened. Is this what they would call a "candidate kit"?
    When i went to the USAFA summer seminar, in the admissions briefing they mentioned that not everybody receives the candidate kit when it first goes online. Are there additional criteria for earning the right to proceed in the application? Not sure if i am making sense here but this my current understanding of the application process.

    Thanks
     
  9. Pima

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    Traditionally the candidate kit does not come out until this week. DS received his 3 yrs ago on June 27th, I believe last yr the release date was July 1. FLIEGER is an ALO he can tell you the exact release date.

    There is no additional info that you need to give, what they are looking at is how competitive you are currently. Seeing as you went to SLS you should feel confidant that your record is strong enough to warrant the next step. For others and lurkers the AFA is the only SA that I know who states if you score under 490 V or 25 CR you would be deemed non-comp., in other
    words you will not move forward in the process.

    I disagree with the get the file done early. Get it done early if it is strong, but if it is weak in any area, than take the time to strengthen your packet. Nobody can receive an apptmt until they meet the board. Boards will not meet until October. If you can only do 6 pull ups, don't submit your CFA. Once your packet is submitted and goes before the board, they will update the parts that you add onto, you CANNOT retake the CFA without their approval.
     
  10. packermatt7

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    I received a LOA, and I was not a recruited athlete. My ACT scores looked similar to yours (try to get your science score up a little).

    I completed my application fairly early. It got me a LOA and a better shot at being nominated.

    That being said, do not rush your application and have some half effort somewhere. Do the best on every part (essays, interviews, CFA, etc).

    They are looking for a whole candidate. To get a LOA, you need to look good in all areas. Somehow I received one, and I'm still confused as to how this happened. Getting one doesn't mean you will be a super-cadet with an easy time, either.

    Do your best in high school and prepare yourself. The rest will come.
     

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