Member of Congress's number of cadets at the Air Force Academy

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  1. Optimistic

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    "Each Member of Congress is allowed to have a maximum of five cadets attending the Academy at one time." Is there a way to find out how many cadets a member of congress currently has at the Air Force Academy without asking him/her office?
     
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  2. FalconsRock

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    Not sure why you would want that information but, they can have five nominated cadets charged to their slate; they may indeed have more than five attending but charged elsewhere such as to the president or vice president.
     
  3. 5Day

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    Easiest way is to ask the MOC.
     
  4. Eaglescoutmom2020

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    We have a new MOC in our district. Our DS interviewed with his MOC committee and received a text from his BGO that he did very well in the interview. That was positive. But then, everyone received an email saying how competitive the process was and that they had way more candidates interested in the Navy and AF academies and that not everyone will get a nomination. The email encouraged applying to West Point and the Coast Guard I guess in order to spread the wealth. My question is - assuming our MOC decides to submit 2 slates of nominees to each of the academies, would the prior MOC's appointment numbers have any bearing on the number the new MOC can appoint or does the new MOC start with a clean slate independent of however many the former MOC has currently attending?
     
  5. Pima

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    The number is tied to that state/seat and not the person.

    IE Senator Smith won, replacing Sen. Jones. Sen Jones had 5 at every SA. Sen. Smith next year has 1 charge available....theoretically 1 will graduate, equating to 1 opening for charging next fall.

    Additionally, your new Congressman will NOT be the one submitting the slate this year because they will not take the oath until Jan. The slate is being submitted by the outgoing MoC.
     
  6. Pima

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    Optimistic,

    I also wonder why the question. It really doesn't matter. Believe it or not there are MoCs that never submit slates and have all 5 open. Charlie Rangel quickly comes to mind if I recall correctly. That is their right as an MoC.

    In the end all you need to really care about is being the highest WCS (if they don't do principal) on that slate. They could have 2,3,4, 5 charges available, but if you don't have that highest WCS to earn the appointment on the slate, your butt is going to the national pool.
     
  7. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    No political tampering in Coast Guard Academy applications.... They don't have congressional nominations.
     
  8. Eaglescoutmom2020

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    Thanks for the clarification. Good to know. Our new MOC was sworn in this past January.
     
  9. NavyHoops

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    Remember that there are possibly many more Cadets/Mids at a SA from your district that were not charged to that MOC. They could have 1 of the many other noms that exist. Heck I had a fellow Plebe in my squad who was 1 of 6 from high school in our class alone. This obviously varies from places like NOVA to North Dakota.
     
  10. Optimistic

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    I know that at the end it doesn't matter, but I am curious. For example if an MOC can have 10 nominations for an open slot and he/she has 2 open slots, then there is a possibility for 20 nominations. Our DS is only interested in the USAFA. He had interviews with both senators and another one with our congresswoman tomorrow. Are we to assume that each one of them has an open slot at USAFA? Otherwise they would tell DS not to interview, right? Again, this is just a curiosity. DS already has plan B mapped out. Thanks.
     
  11. Spud

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    You are safe to assume that there is at least one slot available. No Congressman wants to find themselves with no slots as then they would have to say in some form "Sorry due to my bad planning I am not nominating any voter's high-achieving children for X Academy this year. And I do realize it is a taxpayer funded school but perhaps my Congressional colleague in the other party would have a slot." Not a good way to get re-elected.
     
  12. grateful_river

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    My DS just got a letter from our Congressman yesterday saying he's being nominated as an alternate. He had the interview with this MOC review panel two weeks ago. My DS only applies to USAFA. We don't know how many alternates and how many available spots this MOC has at USAFA this year. So, my DS plans to ask the MOC liaison next week. Based on reading this forum Nomination FAQ, we are cautiously optimistic. So DS still soldiers on with plan B, C; pretty much writing college apps essays left & right.
     
  13. Spud

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    If he is "an alternate" that means someone is ahead of him and he is #2 or one of a pool of 9, depending upon which method of nomination submission the Congressman uses. It really doesn't matter how many slots the Congressman has as your son is standing in only one line and someone is ahead of him. Anything can happen to #1 before I-Day but keep working on plan B at this point. Good luck to your son.
     
  14. MemberLG

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    I think it depends on how the MOC submitted his or her nomination slate. If the MOC submitted a ranked slate, where OP's kid is ranked matters. If the slate is Principal with ranked slate, again where the kid is ranked matters. A possible good news is that a ranked slate is supposed to be least used method of nomination.
     
  15. grateful_river

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    Thanks for all your inputs. My DS also applied to our two Senators for the nomination and they suppose to make decision by December 31st. So we'll see. DS college counselor said his school in previous years had some candidates on alternative nom list but end up getting the appointment as well; and this MOC doesn't rank his alternate otherwise he would have state our DS rank in the letter (per counselor). Another somewhat positive sign was that the USAFA admission counselor asked my DS in early October to submit HS transcript showing what are the current classes that he's taking in senior year. So, college counselor said that is a very good sign...!!!! My DS test scores & GPA are very good but his leadership activities are just average so we're hopeful & let the chip falls where it may.
     
  16. Optimistic

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    This is good. I didn't know that. This means that if an MOC has only one slot and he/she nominates 10 candidates (unranked), the probability of a nominee getting an appointment to enter could be more than 10%. Thanks.
     
  17. Spud

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    Only if the other nominees have other nominations outside of the MOC slate.
     
  18. NavyHoops

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    Optimistic, I know everyone wants to know cut and dry type answers, but its a little more complicated than that. Did your MOC use a ranked slate, non-ranked, Principle method? Your MOC could use a ranked method and you be ranked first, last or in between. As long as you have a Nom it also allows you to move to the NWL which is whole different beast. Just remember a Nom is the key. How things all work out is a giant puzzle that is part art and science that admissions does year in and year out. Hang in there. I know the wait is hard. Focus on your applications, keeping in shape and remember to have fun! Its senior year, enjoy it!
     
  19. time2

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    Where a NOM gets issued can be different from where the SA eventually charges it. This gets discussed a LOT on here. The reality is you may never know where your NOM got charged and once you get an appointment, it really doesn't matter. There isn't any value in trying to figure out how many open slots a particular MOC has.
     

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