Mishandled Partial Remains of KIA

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This report about the partial remains of servicemembers makes me sad. I'm not sure what the proper procedure is for handling partial remains collected on the battlefield that could not practicably be matched, but this definitely seems like the wrong approach.

Report: Air Force dumped remains of 274 troops in landfill

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An Army carry team moves a transfer case containing the remains of a soldier on Oct. 15, 2011 at Dover Air Force Base, Del.


By msnbc.com staff

The incinerated partial remains of at least 274 American troops were dumped in a Virginia landfill, according to government records, The Washington Post reported on Thursday.

Air Force officials said that the dumping was hidden from families who had given authorization for the remains to be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner, according to the newspaper.

There were no plans to inform families, officials told the newspaper.
New information revealed that the practice, exposed by The Washington Post in November, had become very widespread until it was halted in 2008, the newspaper reported.




Last month, Pentagon and Air Force officials said that figuring out how many remains were sent to the King George County, Va., landfill would take combing through the records of more than 6,300 troops.
"It would require a massive effort and time to recall records and research individually," Jo Ann Rooney, the Pentagon's acting undersecretary for personnel, said in a Nov. 22 letter to Rep. Rush Holt (Dem.-N.J.), who has pressured the Pentagon for information on the issue on behalf of one of his constituents, according to the newspaper.

Holt reacted angrily to the news, the newspaper reported.

"What the hell?" he told the Post. "We spent millions, tens of millions, to find any trace of soldiers killed, and they're concerned about a 'massive' effort to go back and pull out the files and find out how many soldiers were disrespected this way?""




They just don't want to ask questions or look very hard," he added, according to the newspaper.
According to records the military gave The Post, between 2003 and 2008, 976 fragments from 274 personnel were cremated, incinerated and dumped in the landfill. An additional 1,762 remains, which could not be DNA tested because of damage from explosions, were gathered from the battlefield and dumped in a similar manner, the Air Force told the newspaper.

The widow of an Army sergeant killed in Iraq told the newspaper she was furious when a morgue she was told how some of her husband's remains were dumped in the landfill.

"They have known that they were doing something disgusting, and they were doing everything they could to keep it from us," Gari-Lynn Smith told the newspaper. She had been pressing the military for information on the subject for four years — ever since she got a report on her husband's autopsy and learned that some of the remains had not been put in the casket for his funeral, according to The Post.

Changes in disposal policies came about after an in-depth review at Dover was ordered in 2008 by then-Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

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I saw this this morning. This certainly does not seem "respectful and dignified". It really saddens me that we have leadership that makes these kinds of decisions.
 
A burial at sea for partial remains is FAR MORE dignified than throwing them in a landfill...

Pathetic, simply pathetic.
 
Just wondering.....What do they do with the amputated limbs on the battlefield or at the hospitals?

At a hospital they are generally cremated. How that is done, exactly, I'm not privy to.
 
I kind of thought they might be cremated. But how do they dispose of the remains then?

Are they then treated as medical waste?

I am partially just wondering and also I am partially seeing this in a different way than most based upon my experience.

I don't know for sure, but I believe they're processed as medical waste, though some religiously affiliated hospitals may use some form of funerary procedure.
 
The news articles about this are truly disturbing. Forensically speaking all military personnel should be providing DNA samples (as I am currently led to believe) to be maintained in a DOD database. Unidentified parts, remains should be able to be matched and resolve most of these situations.
 
Thanks. And for arguement, lets say you are correct (which I think you are). Oh, and don't think for a moment that I am upset by hearing this. I have not lost a night’s sleep thinking about the mere fact that my legs will not be buried with me. But it does help to clarify my thoughts on this subject.

My thoughts on this subject are: We are talking about fragments...not full remains. As such, it appears that they are following standard practice for disposing of such fragments that you would find at any hospitals nationwide....

So does this mean that EVERY hospital, clinic, morgue, police department, or crime scene cleaning contractor nationwide now has to examine their practice of disposing of fragments of human remains?

Does that mean we will be asking living amputees what they wish to do with their fragmented remains? Does this mean we should now examine allowing such remains to be interned in National Cemeteries?

I guess having lost body parts…I just have a different perspective on this issue.

Dan Sickles lost his leg at Gettysburg and used to visit it at the Army Medical Museum.

The National Museum of Health and Medicine still has it.
 
I never lost a limb on active duty (thank you, God!), but I did give a blood sample at one point. Hmmmm ....

I think the controversy in the article above is that they had remains matched with a KIA and asked the families what they wanted to do with them. The families responded, "No need to ship them to us for burial, but please dispose of them in a respectful and dignified manner." That request was not honored.
 
Every soldier who dies in service deserves a dignified burial, a separate burial plot, and a headstone!
 
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