MOC slates that reopen late in the game

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  1. bucketlist

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    If a MOC appointee accepts then later declines, is the SA obligated to go back to the slate and fill the appointment if there are qualified applicants? There seem to be varying opinions on this forum.
     
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    My understanding is that they are not obligated to go back to the slate and fill that vacated spot.
     
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    Some person in the class of 2019 accepted and the declined it to go to USNA, makes me mad because I know someone may not get a slot because someone accepted wen they knew USNA was their first choice.


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    Civic29. They earned the right to make their choice by being offered the appointment. Sorry someone does get the slot that was turned down just not a person from the Congressional slate.
     
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    Yea it's not like you can't wait until April 15 to decide that would be crazy.


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    Not sure what your beef is???
     
  7. civic29

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    Sorry, you comment just sort of came out wrong when I read it I guess. I thought it seemed sort of condescending.


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  8. civic29

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    But also think how you would feel if the person who was ahead of you on the MOC slate did the same and it was taken from you or your cadet the same way.


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    All I was saying was they earned the right to accept the appointments as they were offered. That way they secured their spot. This was advised to me by a super moderator on this site to do just that. Then decline the one or ones they choose not to attend in a timely manner.
     
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    The thing is though the reason you can accept up to April 15 is they won't decline someone because you accepted it already. You can wait to see if you get accepted by another academy. Sorry to come off that way in my other comment.


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    I feel one, "who earned the right to choose", should not accept all offers and then decline them, because whoever is the next appointee in line would have been offered that appointment. With acceptance of all offers, qualified applicants loose. When the original appointee waits and accepts only the SA really desired, it allows others to be offered appointments that were the MOC chosen applicants. If the MOC is not obligated to fill that spot, it is sad someone missed out on an opportunity -for they I'm sure are just as qualified. If the appointee knows which SA he really wants, wait for that appointment. If an applicant is offered an appointment, it remains their appointment; they don't have to accept it to secure it, (based on my familiarity with USMA guidelines) unless the acceptance deadline arrives. This is just me personal thoughts.
     
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    We had similair discussions before, this discussion should be about acceptingt the appointment than declining it later. No one will disagree about the candidate earning the right to make choice by being offered the appointment. But the choice should be accepting one offer, not accepting multiple offers.

    Why not wait until the last possible minute to accept the appointment, why accept an appointment early to say to West Point AND decline it later?
     
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    As I stated before the advise to accept all appointments came from a super moderator on this site.

    Roxane, I understand your personal feelings but it is what it is. The most qualified get the slots and the get to choose or accept as they see fit.

    I am sorry for your friend who did or does not get in. But that is life. The best and most qualified get the slots and get to make the first choices.
     
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    Why accept early if you know you may change your mind? There is no harm to waiting and it's pretty unethical to deny someone a slot because you may have been a little inconvenienced. I'm sure you would have had a different opinion had something similar happen to you.


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    A super moderator's posting doesn't carry any additional creditablity than any other poster with similiar track record. A major difference between myself and a supermoderator is being able to take action when someone violates the forum rule. If I think someone is violating a forum rule, the only thing I can do is complain, whereas the super moderator can stop the discussion or I guess even suspend someone. Being a super moderator does not make him or her an expert on what's right or wrong.

    Again, this is beyond making a choice, it's about changing your choice.
     
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    My kid received his USNA appointment first, but was hoping to also get an appointment from USMA. He would have gladly gone to either academy, but we would never have him "accept" his appointment to USNA, while awaiting to see if he got the USMA appointment. In the end, he did get the 2nd appointment. The same day that he accepted his appointment to USMA, he declined it to USNA. I think there is nothing to gain in quickly accepting the appointment, while you wait for another. Just wait, and if you don't get the 2nd (or more, if you've applied to all 5 academies), then accept it by the deadline date.
     
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    If a candidate accepts an appointment, aren't the other candidates from that slate still just as eligible for an appointment, with their WCS being the most important factor? (I'm thinking this is the case because there are slates where many candidates get offers regardless of what the first-offered candidatefrom that slate decides to do.) Whether a candidate accepts or waits to accept, isn't that person's particular slot still unavailable for any other candidate, and yet others can be appointed via multiple paths as long as they are 3Q+nom? The Admissions office is going to fill the class - so if someone declines a spot, another candidate will fill it.

    Not trying to be snarky - just trying to figure out if I actually understand what I thought I did. We have a number of appointees from our district and I thought my reasoning above is the reason why that is possible.
     
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    I think the main issue is that if a candidate "won" their district spot for the appointment, accepts it and then later declines it, then the feeling is that the that spot may go to the national pool, rather than going to the next person on the local slate. I don't know, for sure, that there if the appointee never accepts the appointment, if when he/she declines it, that it is more likely go to the "local" candidate who has the next highest WCS, but some people feel that it would be more likely. If a candidate doesn't have the highest WCS on a national level, they might get the spot, but if they keep it at the local level, then it would mean they get in. We know that no spot will ever go unfilled, but where that spot comes from may be the issue. None-the-less, why accept the slot if you aren't 100% sure, when you would have time to wait if you are uncertain?
     
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    "A true leader has the confidence to stand alone, the courage to make tough decisions, and the compassion to listen to the needs of others. He does not set out to be a leader, but becomes one by the quality of his actions and the integrity of his intent." - Douglas MacArthur (1880 - 1964) United States Army General
     
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    A scout in our troop was offered a slot after the vacancy winner declined at the last minute. He was apparently next on the slate. I just had assumed that's how it worked for non-principle noms. (Assuming I understood the story correctly)
     
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