Multiple Nomination Question

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  1. hen111

    hen111 Member

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    Still waiting on a 2017 admission decision and hopeful. I was wondering if having more than one nomination was at all helpful at this point. I have two and they are both competitive. Guessing its not, but just wanted to check.
     
  2. WestPoint2017

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    Helpful, yes. Only because it gives you two opportunities of gaining an appointment without being placed on the NWL. Does WP look at you on a higher regard? The answer to that is no.
     
  3. hen111

    hen111 Member

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    That's the part i dont understand. I have one from a senator and one from a congressman, neither indicated a PNOM and said that they were using the "competitive" system. If that's the case, how does two actually help me?
     
  4. soccmomer

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    And, to add to this question, my son is a Jr, so we are just going through this, but our congress/senate people all say that if you receive a nom from one of them, you should let the others know so they can give their nom to someone else. So, if you get a nom from a Senator, and tell the Congressman so they don't have to consider you anymore, how do you know if you are giving up a PNOM?
     
  5. hen111

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    That's the first time i've heard anyone suggest that the applicants tell other senators/congressman that they've already received a nomination. I think your right, that you could possibly be giving up a PNOM by doing that.

    In my case, we applied to three sources and 1 of the three sent a letter stating that THEY checked with our other state congressman and would not be providing a nomination because they could award it to someone else.
     
  6. BigBear

    BigBear Class of 2015

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    Do not give up your nomination until you have an appointment! If there are two competitive kids from your district and you both have two nominations, USMA can give you both appointments (1 for each nom source).
    Bottom line: The more nominations you have, the more ways USMA has to get you an appointment
     
  7. hen111

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    Thanks everyone. Last part of this question for me is whether having more than one nomination helps if you DO end up on the NWL?
     
  8. EagleScout13

    EagleScout13 USMA Class of 2017

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    No having more than one nomination will not help on the NWL unless one of the vacancy winners in your district turns down an offer.
     
  9. R.Martin95

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    There is almost never a need to tell a congressman or senator that you received a nomination from the other; they keep in contact with each other, especially if you are in a particularly competitive state. My Senator seemed ready to give me a nomination, but then I was called and told "Oh, we see you have a nomination from your congresswoman; we're trying the best to distribute nominations evenly, so we won't be awarding you one."
     
  10. GoBlue1984

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    No Two Noms won't help on NWL

    It helps in that the first place you compete is within the slates. The advantage of multiple nominations is you compete against more slates, and therefore more places to be charged against. This is especially true when those slates are competitive.

    Think of the NWL as a slate of 2000 qualified names ranked descending by WCS (whole candidate score). The names are those who did not win a MOC slate. Therefore having multiple nominations won't help you on the NWL because your name can only appear once in that list (and if twice it is the same score). The higher the WCS, the more likely an appointment since the candidate will be ranked higher in the list. How many are taken from the NWL depends on the intended initial class size however I believe by law 150 must be taken soley by WCS before anyone else is taken.

    In our DS' case, he had a congressional district nomination to USMA. There was another candidate from within our district with that same MOC nomination but also with a senatorial nomination. Both our DS and the other candidate received appointments (we think our DS won the district, the other the senatorial slate - however we will never know that for certain and it really doesn't matter).

    Since our Senators said they would coordinate, after receiving the congressional nom, our DS called the senator's offices and asked for his first academy choice to be switched to the USNA. He received a USNA nomination from one senator, with the other (the same one who gave the other candidate a USMA nomination) sending a letter stating the two senators coordinated so he would not receive a second nomination.

    In retrospect, DS may have been able to compete on two slates (Congressional and Senatorial) for a USMA appointment (his first choice) but in the end it didn't matter.
     
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  11. Pkirk618

    Pkirk618 Retired Army

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    At first, I had a hard time understanding the "apply for all the nominations you can qualify for" since my son was repeatedly told that once he had one (a nomination) he was pretty much set. Especially if that nomination supersedes another. So the reality is, those who nominate probably want to avoid the redundancy of nominating the same individual, especially if that candidate is strong one to begin with. I think it's then left up to the candidate to know when you have enough support and let the reps nominate others in the mix.

    We took the advice didn't apply higher than we needed despite the aforementioned suggestions. Besides, I think they they talk to each other so in most cases, they'll tell you too if offering a nomination would be in your best interest. I'm guessing though on that.
     
  12. jrangitsch

    jrangitsch J Rangitsch, USMA'83

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    Response to Multiple Nom Question

    This may be a little late in the thread, but having 2 Noms - one Senatorial and one Congressional places you into the competition 2 times - one competition is against the 9 other candidates in the Senators slate and then again against the other 9 on the Congressman's slate. So you get to compete twice against 2 different fields. Does having multiple Noms give you an advantage as far your Whole Candidate Score (WCS)? - No... you just get to compete multiple times against different fields. In our case, my son had 4 Noms...but that did not affect his WCS one bit.

    Hope this helps
     
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    jrangitsch J Rangitsch, USMA'83

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    Reply to Multiple Nominations and "talking"

    For the Congressional Noms - it is impossible for one individual to end up on 2 Congressman's slates... because you can only compete in one district.

    For Senatorial Noms - which are state wide - there exists the possibility that a single candidate could end up on both slates. I do not know how other states work, but our Senators offices DO coordinate so that a duplication does not happen in order to allow the max number of candidates to be presented to USMA for consideration.

    A candidate CAN have BOTH a Congressional and a Senatorial Nom - this is fairly common for the most highly qualified candidates.
     
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  15. Pkirk618

    Pkirk618 Retired Army

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    Thanks for the followup. I was in-fact referring to sen vs rep as well as service connected/Presidential.
     

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