My Chance of AFROTC Scholarship

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  1. Zachieepoo

    Zachieepoo Member

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    Hey all,

    So like most people, I have always had a dream to fly since I could walk, I have been trying to prepare all my life. I had family problems arise during high school which hurt my GPA freshmen and sophomore year. Here are my stats:

    3.5 GPA
    Act: 26
    Eagle Scout
    2 APs
    My high school is ranked in top 100 in country (I am in top 20%)
    I have 2 years of marching band(lettered)
    I am president of my Chruch young men (overseeing 40 teens)
    I am customer support supervisior for TNT Fireworks for 2 years
    Manager of a TNT fireworks location this year
    I am Assitant Scout master of my troop now.
    I started my own business in my community for iPhone and itouch repairs, 3 to 4 customers a week, have business cards and website.
    I was scout co-captain for 2 years

    I am putting on my application my intended majors first to last: aviation, aerospace engineering, and computer science

    I don't have athletics, but I have great work and leadership experience I think.
    What scholarship for AFROTC do you think I can get?
     
  2. Pima

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    I would think Type 7 because what hurts you is not so much the gpa, but the ACT, it would be considered below avg. Avg is 29-31 depending on the type. I hope that this is not a superscore, but just your best sitting score. AFROTC does not superscore.


    PAR which is your academic records accounts for 60% of the WCS.

    You should def. apply because you have 100% of not receiving a scholarship if you don't apply.

    Good luck. Remember that if it doesn't happen this yr you can apply for IS next yr.

    OBTW, don't worry so much about athletics, many times they want that to illustrate leadership and dedication. You have shown that through Eagle Scouts.

    Just make sure you hit the PFA out of the ball park. That means try to max everything, no mins. This will allow them to overcome any fear that you may not be able to pass the PFT, which you must do to contract.
     
  3. kinnem

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    ^^^ Yeah, what Pima said. Great comments Pima.
     
  4. Zachieepoo

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    Thank you so much! I see you reply on like every forum on this site haha. Your a great person! Well it's not super scored, but it was my first and only time I took the act which got me in all my schools I am applying to. They do not take tests after December 1st so I am out of luck this year. Well I will apply and see. Thank man!
     
  5. Pima

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    One thing to understand is AFROTC scholarships are the red-headed cousin compared to A/NROTC. They do not care what school you apply to when it comes to their decisions.

    A/NROTC place both the candidate and the school list in their decision process.

    AFROTC asks for the college, but you are not tied to the colleges you placed in the application process. You can take it to any college that accepts AFROTC scholarships.

    AFROTC scholarships are awarded from a national perspective. They know how many of Type 1,2 and 7 will be awarded. The board will score you for your WCS, above X points you get a scholarship, below you get nothing.

    Tech and non-tech are players for the equation.

    I have to ask did you take the SAT?

    You also imply you already have acceptances to all of your schools. Have you met the CC at all of these schools. If not, I would suggest you do so.

    Cadres are like colleges they have their own personality. They also have different rates of acceptance for SFT, different percentages for rated boards, different military fraternities, etc.

    If 1 of your colleges has a 40% selection rate for SFT, and the other has 60%, you need to place that into your decision making process.

    40% selected means 60% will not go to SFT. No SFT = no commissioning and loss of scholarship.

    1 college may have 100% selection rate for rated board, but only 60% of them get UPT. Another may have 60% selection rate, but 100% get UPT.

    You stated you always wanted to fly...now you are in the weeds. Do you go the 100% and be happy as an ABM, RPA, CSO? Or do you go 60% and the 100% pilot?

    This is before addressing if receiving a scholarship will impact your school choice.

    Mind boggling, but that is what you need to do now. Start looking deeper. The scholarship factor is the easy fact, because worse comes to worse you don't get one you take loans to pay it off after graduation.

    The small, minute details may mean a difference between you obtaining your AF career goal or not obtaining it.


    I always use this as an example. I am not picking on one college or promoting another. I am just illustrating facts/stats and why you need to look deeper.

    ERAU boasts they are only 2nd to the AFA when it comes to the NUMBER of grads getting a rated slot.

    TRUE.

    However, statistically VT beats them. VT is smaller, thus has less in numbers than ERAU. Yet, VT has 100% of their cadets get rated. I believe ly they had 100% get UPT. Their claim is not numbers, but stats.

    Again my point about the 60% and 100% or 100% and 60%.

    Finally, I mean this with kindness, as much as flying has been your dream, nobody knows the future budget of the DOD. Nobody knows what the UPT pipeline will be in 16. You will not be commissioned as a pilot. You will be commissioned as a 2nd Lt. There is no guarantee you will graduate from UPT. So start thinking about Plan B for career options in the AF.

    I know, I know any job you will be happy to serve in. That is the rote answer. However, do you really want to be in Public Affairs or the Comm Sq? That would be any job. Again time to think deeper about what if.

    Good luck!
     
  6. Zachieepoo

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    Thank you again so much! If you have the time were can I find the percentages for each school and percentages to UPT, cant find on google. Also I took the SAT and got a 1800 out of 2400, not good. If I cant be a pilot, I would gladly do another job for 4 years, as they paid for my school, I owe them. I have a few questions though.

    Say I get 4 years in another job, if I do well can I apply for UPT each year?

    Should I take the ACT again and shot for higher score and apply next year
    again?

    If you were trying to be a pilot anyway today, what would your way be?

    Should I go to school get $30,000-$50,000 in debt, and apply for pilot slot in ANG after school?

    Thank you again!
     
  7. Pima

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    Let's go 1 by 1.

    1. If you have the time were can I find the percentages for each school and percentages to UPT, cant find on google.

    You will never find it on google, and that is why you need to talk to the command for your colleges. Ask them what their personal stats are. What is the % that go SFT, what is the avg gpa, what is the % that get rated?

    My ERAU and VT post is because they both have great numbers/stats and use it as a recruiting issue for AFROTC.

    I have no bone in the fight, both are great, both are different.

    2.If I cant be a pilot, I would gladly do another job for 4 years, as they paid for my school, I owe them.

    Theory and reality rarely meet.

    3.Say I get 4 years in another job, if I do well can I apply for UPT each year?

    You can reapply every yr IF the AF is holding a board.

    4.Should I take the ACT again and shot for higher score and apply next year
    again?

    IMPO, Yes, take it again. They will use it for IS, plus when you go for SFT, they take either AFOQT or your SAT/ACT on record.

    JMPO, but AFOQT is more like the ACT, especially with graphing and SA than the SAT.

    5. If you were trying to be a pilot anyway today, what would your way be?

    I can't and will not answer that because:

    ~~ your goal should never be a pilot
    ~~ you will not spend 20 yrs flying in the AF
    ~~ there is no guarantee you will graduate UPT

    I will say if I was you and want to serve in the AF, I would understand that when I am commissioned, I will be commissioned as:
    2nd LT Zachieepoo

    not UPT student Zachieepoo

    That may appear harsh, but that is the truth. As a pilot you are and will always be an officer first.

    6. Should I go to school get $30,000-$50,000 in debt, and apply for pilot slot in ANG after school?

    IMPO, Heck no!

    Go in debt for a class A education, not for a maybe I can get a pilot slot in ANG as full time reservist,

    Prior to meeting a rated board you will have to:
    1. Accepted to SFT
    ~~~ Rank out in a high position among your class
    2. Jobs in your unit
    3. Command support
    4.Score high on the AFOQT (GMC)
    5. Score high on your TBAS as a POC


    You have many hurdles in front of you. Keep that dream, but be realistic. Your job now is to graduate college.

    Talk to the CC's at the colleges you intend to attend to determine where you want to go. Keep your AF career goal in sight.

    You will be there if you believe.
     

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