NAPS 2024 Waitlist

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A1Janitor said:
Imagine how the kids who were deemed fully qualified, put on the USNA waitlist, twe, and deemed unqualified for naps feel.

A parent complaining about another kid taking a spot that could have been used for someone else, who was missing something in their resume for USNA, to naps.

It is a complete waste of time. I hope the parents aren’t discussing this with their kids. Instead, I hope they are focusing on what is needed to get over the hurdle.
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I hope the parents ARE discussing this with their kids. There's a lot of lessons in it:

- Life isn't fair
- Sometimes the best person is not picked for the job
- People will throw opportunities away all the time
- There are consequences for actions
- In life, there are doers and quitters
- Some people do not take an oath seriously

Etc, etc.
 
A1Janitor said:
Patently absurd to write this on a public forum.
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It's absurd to talk about some of the reasons why kids are quitting?

Why is that absurd?
A1Janitor said:
A phone call to admissions and BGO would end the confusion. And the applicant should address the shortcomings with vigor if they want to reapply.
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Non-sequitur. (We were talking about what a quitter "costs" others whose spot they took.)
 
blhenrywalpole said:
I hope the parents ARE discussing this with their kids. There's a lot of lessons in it:

- Life isn't fair
- Sometimes the best person is not picked for the job
- People will throw opportunities away all the time
- There are consequences for actions
- In life, there are doers and quitters
- Some people do not take an oath seriously

Etc, etc.
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Life lessons indeed.

Hell of an assumption to say the best person wasn’t picked. Admissions might say the best people were selected, even with the risk of them separating early.

Focus on what was missing for USNA appointment.
 
A1Janitor said:
Life lessons indeed.

Hell of an assumption to say the best person wasn’t picked. Admissions might say the best people were selected, even with the risk of them separating early.

Focus on what was missing for USNA appointment.
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It's hard to argue in favor of a quitter being the best person for the job.

I think this has run its course. Once again my only point is that these people who quit took spots from others. If they had to propensity to cave under a little adversity, they should not have accepted their appointment and taken an oath. Instead, they should've decline and given the spot to the next one up.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
It's absurd to talk about some of the reasons why kids are quitting?

Why is that absurd?

Non-sequitur. (We were talking about what a quitter "costs" others whose spot they took.)
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Calling them fat and lazy are assumptions that are grossly unfair and patently absurd.

You said “Not to mention the stress, heartache, wondering what they don't have that others do, etc.” The applicants should sulk momentarily and then rebuild. If they want to rebuild, they will find the weakness in their applications and improve. Admissions and BGOs are the starting point.

Focusing on decisions beyond their control is useless.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
I hope the parents ARE discussing this with their kids. There's a lot of lessons in it:

- Life isn't fair
- Sometimes the best person is not picked for the job
- People will throw opportunities away all the time
- There are consequences for actions
- In life, there are doers and quitters
- Some people do not take an oath seriously

Etc, etc.
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My son has already, with what he has overcome and accomplished, grown into a better man than me. Guess that’s the whole point…my entire goal as a dad since 2005.

I don’t break character with him, concerning his dreams or ideals. Maybe I vent in here, but I can’t help believe there is some merit in my venting. He has chosen to stay the course, even though it’s a longer one than those that quit were offered. Guess he is ahead of those who for whatever reason quit. It’s his course…me and his mom are indifferent to it this round…he knows that.

One lesson life has taught me “the herd tends to thin its own self out.” Onward upward.
 
If no one quit naps the following classes would be smaller. They are the current size because of the attrition, And the parents of the kids who did not get accepted with smaller classes would still be complaining about an unfair system.

It’s the same at any competitive level where kids get cut , where kids get denied a spot——parents will complain. More so than the kids
 
A1Janitor said:
Calling them fat and lazy are assumptions that are grossly unfair and patently absurd.

You said “Not to mention the stress, heartache, wondering what they don't have that others do, etc.” The applicants should sulk momentarily and then rebuild. If they want to rebuild, they will find the weakness in their applications and improve. Admissions and BGOs are the starting point.

Focusing on decisions beyond their control is useless.
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I never called them lazy.

As for being fat, have you seen pictures of some of these kids? Go to the FB or IG NAPS page and take a look.

(And I'm not talking about the football players either!)
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
If no one quit naps the following classes would be smaller. They are the current size because of the attrition, And the parents of the kids who did not get accepted with smaller classes would still be complaining about an unfair system.

It’s the same at any competitive level where kids get cut , where kids get denied a spot——parents will complain. More so than the kids
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No one is complaining about the team being picked by the coaches, to use your example.

Everybody tries out, the coaches pick the players, the team is set and the season starts. Fine and good.

Where the complaint comes is once the team is picked by the coaches and the season starts, one of the players decides they don’t like the practices, the running, the schedule, etc and they decide they don’t want be on the team anymore and quits.

See the difference?
 
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blhenrywalpole said:
No one is complaining about the team being picked by the coaches, to use your example.

Everybody tries out, the coaches pick the players, the team is set and the season starts. Fine and good.

Where the complaint comes is once the team is picked by the coaches and the season starts, one of the players decides they don’t like the practices, the running, the schedule, etc and they decide they don’t want be on the team anymore and quits.

See the difference?
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Every year very large college football teams are picked with the knowledge that some of those that made the squad will quit, some will come up short, and some will get hurt, and some .It’s the nature of tough competition.

The system works. And those that were picked were picked for a reason.
 
Basketball tryouts for varsity and JV basketball.

50 kids tryout. 10 aren’t qualified. The goal is 10-12 on varsity team. 15 are good enough to make it. 12 are selected for the team. 3 are cut - they aren’t qualified to play for the JV team. They are told to try out again next year.

25 kids are left. They lacked something to play varsity, but show promise. The JV team wants to keep 10 but select 13. Seven are cut. Five are placed on waitlist in case the numbers drop below 10 (5 starters and 5 teammates for scrimmages).

If the JV team loses 3, they take no action. If it loses a fourth, they call up one of the waitlisted to complete the ten.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Agreed.

Here’s another punch in the gut: A NAPSter quit on the first day and two more are leaving tomorrow.

It’s a disgrace that these kids - quitters - took spots from others who really wanted it…
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Wow! My DS would’ve done anything for a sliver of a chance .. crazy how they “select the puzzle pieces” .. he’s a varsity athlete, graduated with an AA, has his ducks in a row enough to be awarded an NROTC scholarship first round .. ACT scores a lil low but has pre calculus & physics under his belt. Currently at NSI-3 graduating next Monday … if only… totally get it, he can re-apply, all roads lead to commissioning .. but a dream is a dream. Sorry, first time humble bragging .. but this kid wants it has poured the foundation since he was a child. Grrrrr ..
Yes, I read the above comments, I know he is not a quitter… watched this kid play varsity football (both sides of the ball) against kids twice his size. Never once tapped out of the game .. even after being pummeled, elected to attend a college prep school / take dual credits when he could’ve taken the easy (covid zoom) school road. Spent two weeks the last two summers at Camp Pendleton preparing with the Marines .. WHY, so he can/will succeed and not quit !!!
VMI gets my kid … 💯% no doubt he will live out his dream as a Naval Aviator!! Just irks me he had to be waitlisted until mid June .. to only hear others quit.
 
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A common assumption is that there is one and only one number, X, that is the planned number of seats in a class. It has always been my understanding it is more of a target range, with some fluidity at the edges. Of course, there is a statutory max for the SA. Every year, the manpower analysts at Big Navy manage the officer intake spigots, adjusting inflows and capacity here and there, taking into account predicted attrition rates, class-building goals, planned net yield at graduation, and, as always, needs of the Navy (and Marine Corps). As the building class gets very close or just into that target range, at some point, the class is declared complete, even if there might be room for a few more. It’s just time to wrap up the process and complete the admissions cycle. Every year, when that door is closed, there will be those left on the outside, whether for USNA, NAPS or Foundation Scholarship. Thus it has been, thus it will ever be.

Every year, there are shiny new plebes as well as more seasoned midshipmen, who worked exceptionally hard to get into USNA, were thrilled by their appointment, felt called to service, truly believed USNA was their path, who will find, for a variety of reasons, that it is not their path, and they voluntarily resign. They earned the appointment. They accepted it in good faith - and they walk away to a new path. There is no method to test for this in advance. Parents, family, coaches, Scout leaders, teachers, others, will be shocked, upset, saddened, unbelieving their son or daughter has done this. Every human being has the agency and the capacity within them to do things those closest to them would never predict or expect.
 
Sometimes I think parents suffer from “not MY child” syndrome. Or “MY child would NEVER”-itis.

Truth be told, it could be any one of them. No way to know. Even a hard working wrestler could find the academics and requirements too much to stay on the team, and have to quit. No way to know.

It may be a good idea to tune out social medias, get off Facebook, and put down the SAF for a bit of it’s too upsetting. But name calling, and hating on kids, who are 100 pct playing within the rules, is just wrong.

Another suggestion: give USNA a call and talk to them about their process allowing people to leave. And how wrong it is. And tell them how to fix it. I’m sure they are open to suggestions.
 
rvrratt1 said:
Wow! My DS would’ve done anything for a sliver of a chance .. crazy how they “select the puzzle pieces” .. he’s a varsity athlete, graduated with an AA, has his ducks in a row enough to be awarded an NROTC scholarship first round .. ACT scores a lil low but has pre calculus & physics under his belt. Currently at NSI-3 graduating next Monday … if only… totally get it, he can re-apply, all roads lead to commissioning .. but a dream is a dream. Sorry, first time humble bragging .. but this kid wants it has poured the foundation since he was a child. Grrrrr ..
Yes, I read the above comments, I know he is not a quitter… watched this kid play varsity football (both sides of the ball) against kids twice his size. Never once tapped out of the game .. even after being pummeled, elected to attend a college prep school / take dual credits when he could’ve taken the easy (covid zoom) school road. Spent two weeks the last two summers at Camp Pendleton preparing with the Marines .. WHY, so he can/will succeed and not quit !!!
VMI gets my kid … 💯% no doubt he will live out his dream as a Naval Aviator!! Just irks me he had to be waitlisted until mid June .. to only hear others quit.
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I know, it's awful to read about all these quitters.

I hope your son does great things at VMI and in the Navy!
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
Every year very large college football teams are picked with the knowledge that some of those that made the squad will quit, some will come up short, and some will get hurt, and some .It’s the nature of tough competition.

The system works. And those that were picked were picked for a reason.
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I think you are conflating the institution / coaches picking the team with the players who once on the team, decide to quit.

Of course the institution knows there will be attrition. Again, it's baked into the cake. I am talking about THE PLAYERS themselves, who joined the team, thereby taking a spot from someone else, only to quit once on the team and the season started.

See the difference???
 
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blhenrywalpole said:
I think you are conflating the institution / coaches picking the team with the players who once on the team, decide to quit.

Of course the institution knows there will attrition. Again, it's baked into the cake. I am talking about THE PLAYERS themselves, who joined the team, thereby taking a spot from someone else, only to quit once on the team and the season started.

See the difference???
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Probably time to end this disagreement. We aren’t going to change any minds … I do find your lack of compassion and public display untoward.

The person who quit earned the spot, and all the rights that come with it. Including quitting.

The person on the waitlist that didn’t make it did not earn the spot.

Best to focus on long term planning. How do I correct my deficiencies and earn a spot to USNA next time?

The reality is we might be seeing the waitlist kids that didn’t make it inducted with the others that made naps and successfully completed their program. For candidates so close last year, with hard work they don’t lose much.
 
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