Nato/Russia

Discussion in 'Academy/Military News' started by JMS, Sep 5, 2014.

  1. JMS

    JMS Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2011
    Messages:
    448
    Likes Received:
    11
    So, today I am reading that NATO has approved the creation of some sort of rapid reaction force to respond to Russian threats. This seems to be a new idea.
    So, just what was NATO doing for the last 50 years to respond to threats?
     
  2. aglages

    aglages Parent

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2009
    Messages:
    2,680
    Likes Received:
    4
    Prayer.
     
  3. kinnem

    kinnem Moderator

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2010
    Messages:
    7,539
    Likes Received:
    1,002
    Prior to it's eastward march, multinational forces were already permanently located in the eastern most NATO members (eg. Germany). And prayer.
     
  4. NorwichDad

    NorwichDad Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,274
    Likes Received:
    210
    Well 22 years ago they won the Cold War. Since then it has only been the Curly Shuffle

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4_ApvtdSzg
     
  5. EDelahanty

    EDelahanty Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,273
    Likes Received:
    312
    Don't underestimate the Curly Shuffle. It may have been what attracted 12 former Warsaw Pact countries to join NATO (giving the Czech Republic and Slovakia credit for two) after the implosion of the Soviet Union.
     
  6. NorwichDad

    NorwichDad Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2010
    Messages:
    1,274
    Likes Received:
    210
    Good Point!
     
  7. scoutpilot

    scoutpilot Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2010
    Messages:
    4,274
    Likes Received:
    606
    For the last 12 or so they've been in Afghanistan, too.
     
  8. Day-Tripper

    Day-Tripper Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2014
    Messages:
    130
    Likes Received:
    65
    Up until the collapse of the USSR most NATO countries had conscription, so basically all men served in the military for a couple of years in their late teens and early 20s.

    Given the Red Army had huge forces in central Europe (they typically had around 400,000 troops in East Germany from the early 1950s until the late 1980s), NATO had to be prepared for a Soviet blitzkrieg at any moment.

    West Germany's Bundeswehr, for example, used to have 500,000 personnel on active duty at any given time and 1000 tanks ready to be deployed. Now, the German army is down to around 180,000 and has maybe 50-100 tanks ready for immediate use. And their defense spending continues to decline.

    Frankly, the Brits and French (the non-US backbone of NATO) aren't a whole lot better.

    Libya 2011 - NATO couldn't handle a rather limited air campaign against Kaddafy's pitiful armed forces without needing the US to carry the day.

    Even with Vlad Putin's aggressive foreign policy, NATO countries aren't in any mood to build their armed forces. Hell, there isn't a whole lot of enthusiasm for pretty tame economic sanctions.

    Without the US, NATO doesn't exits.

    The only consolation is that the Russian army is a pale imitation of it's Soviet Red Army forefathers.
     

Share This Page