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Long time member of the yachting community. Graduated from Myers to Mount Gay to Goslings. No looking back!
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Have had this - not a fan. DIY much better.
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I'm "eh" on Gosling's ginger beer. I think it's a vertical integration/marketing thing for them. My favorites are:
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Not to cast aspersions on ginger beer (I drank it's relative Irn-Bru for a while when I could get it) but while looking at an article today I answered my own question from earlier in this thread regarding all this emphasis on force readiness and strict compliance under threat of the boot for what exactly? What are the numbers? Well here is an unfortunate situation for someone in CA. This person passed away with covid just a few days ago. Can't get a much worse result than that. What surprised me though are the numbers. I have the impression that thousands of sailors have passed away from covid. Drastic measures need to be taken.
The article makes it clear my impression was wrong. This unfortunate soul - Lt. Ivey Quintana-Martinez was the 17th person to die with covid in the Navy.
From the article:
Navy data released days before her death showed only one sailor hospitalized with COVID-related illness out of some 661 cases.
Quintana-Martinez’s death brings to 17 the number of fatalities among sailors from COVID-related causes.
www.stripes.com
17 is 17 too many. But are those numbers what you think of when you hear the urgency? Those numbers include the unvaccinated that are being separated. Someone said the suicide number is higher. I don't know but will look it up.
All the statements on this board about how selfish these people are for not getting vaccinated, how they don't care about others, how they are destroying force readiness, how they can't be trusted in command of others - I don't see support for those statements with these numbers.
What I see is the 99%+ survival rate (for vaccinated and unvaccinated) and a much smaller group at much higher risk. Doesn't it make sense to focus on the high risk group rather than purge so many people?
The article makes it clear my impression was wrong. This unfortunate soul - Lt. Ivey Quintana-Martinez was the 17th person to die with covid in the Navy.
From the article:
Navy data released days before her death showed only one sailor hospitalized with COVID-related illness out of some 661 cases.
Quintana-Martinez’s death brings to 17 the number of fatalities among sailors from COVID-related causes.
Navy Reserve officer in nurse corps dies of COVID-19 complications in California
A 35-year-old Navy Reserve nurse who died over the weekend of complications related to COVID-19 in a Los Angeles hospital is the 81st military fatality from the disease.
17 is 17 too many. But are those numbers what you think of when you hear the urgency? Those numbers include the unvaccinated that are being separated. Someone said the suicide number is higher. I don't know but will look it up.
All the statements on this board about how selfish these people are for not getting vaccinated, how they don't care about others, how they are destroying force readiness, how they can't be trusted in command of others - I don't see support for those statements with these numbers.
What I see is the 99%+ survival rate (for vaccinated and unvaccinated) and a much smaller group at much higher risk. Doesn't it make sense to focus on the high risk group rather than purge so many people?
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Wait until the truth comes out.Not to cast aspersions on ginger beer (I drank it's relative Irn-Bru for a while when I could get it) but while looking at an article today I answered my own question from earlier in this thread regarding all this emphasis on force readiness and strict compliance under threat of the boot for what exactly? What are the numbers? Well here is an unfortunate situation for someone in CA. This person passed away with covid just a few days ago. Can't get a much worse result than that. What surprised me though are the numbers. I have the impression that thousands of sailors have passed away from covid. Drastic measures need to be taken.
The article makes it clear my impression was wrong. This unfortunate soul - Lt. Ivey Quintana-Martinez was the 17th person to die with covid in the Navy.
From the article:
Navy data released days before her death showed only one sailor hospitalized with COVID-related illness out of some 661 cases.
Quintana-Martinez’s death brings to 17 the number of fatalities among sailors from COVID-related causes.
Navy Reserve officer in nurse corps dies of COVID-19 complications in California
A 35-year-old Navy Reserve nurse who died over the weekend of complications related to COVID-19 in a Los Angeles hospital is the 81st military fatality from the disease.
17 is 17 too many. But are those numbers what you think of when you hear the urgency? Those numbers include the unvaccinated that are being separated. Someone said the suicide number is higher. I don't know but will look it up.
All the statements on this board about how selfish these people are for not getting vaccinated, how they don't care about others, how they are destroying force readiness, how they can't be trusted in command of others - I don't see support for those statements with these numbers.
What I see is the 99%+ survival rate (for vaccinated and unvaccinated) and a much smaller group at much higher risk. Doesn't it make sense to focus on the high risk group rather than purge so many people?
A Navy Surgeon has come out and stated that there have been 20 covid deaths in military from Covid. There have been more from complications from the vaccines.
MsKateMorgan on TikTok
US Navy Surgeon tells the truth about the Statistics that they have and what they are actually reporting VARES. #freedomfighter #freedomdoctors
vm.tiktok.com
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Not to cast aspersions on ginger beer (I drank it's relative Irn-Bru for a while when I could get it) but while looking at an article today I answered my own question from earlier in this thread regarding all this emphasis on force readiness and strict compliance under threat of the boot for what exactly? What are the numbers? Well here is an unfortunate situation for someone in CA. This person passed away with covid just a few days ago. Can't get a much worse result than that. What surprised me though are the numbers. I have the impression that thousands of sailors have passed away from covid. Drastic measures need to be taken.
The article makes it clear my impression was wrong. This unfortunate soul - Lt. Ivey Quintana-Martinez was the 17th person to die with covid in the Navy.
From the article:
Navy data released days before her death showed only one sailor hospitalized with COVID-related illness out of some 661 cases.
Quintana-Martinez’s death brings to 17 the number of fatalities among sailors from COVID-related causes.
Navy Reserve officer in nurse corps dies of COVID-19 complications in California
A 35-year-old Navy Reserve nurse who died over the weekend of complications related to COVID-19 in a Los Angeles hospital is the 81st military fatality from the disease.
17 is 17 too many. But are those numbers what you think of when you hear the urgency? Those numbers include the unvaccinated that are being separated. Someone said the suicide number is higher. I don't know but will look it up.
All the statements on this board about how selfish these people are for not getting vaccinated, how they don't care about others, how they are destroying force readiness, how they can't be trusted in command of others - I don't see support for those statements with these numbers.
What I see is the 99%+ survival rate (for vaccinated and unvaccinated) and a much smaller group at much higher risk. Doesn't it make sense to focus on the high risk group rather than purge so many people?
Wait until the truth comes out.
A Navy Surgeon has come out and stated that there have been 20 covid deaths in military from Covid. There have been more from complications from the vaccines.
MsKateMorgan on TikTok
US Navy Surgeon tells the truth about the Statistics that they have and what they are actually reporting VARES. #freedomfighter #freedomdoctors
Uhhhhh.....the "truth" is out. Confirmed today, the 3rd leading cause of death in 2020 was from Covid:
CDC's finalized data on 2020 death rates shows sobering impacts of pandemic
Covid, accidental drug overdoses and increases in heart disease, Alzheimer’s disease and diabetes drove the increase in deaths.
www.nbcnews.com
This is on top of the fact that the number of Covid deaths are likely to be vastly underreported:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanam/article/PIIS2667-193X(21)00011-9/fulltext# (Lancet study)
The US is undercounting COVID deaths, researchers say. Now they have a tool to figure out why.
COVID deaths in the United States have been undercounted, public health experts say. They're trying to figure out where and why.
www.usatoday.com
COVID-19 and excess mortality in the United States: A county-level analysis
Andrew Stokes and co-workers report a county-level analysis of excess deaths owing to COVID-19 in the United States.
Uncounted: Inaccurate death certificates across the country hide the true toll of COVID-19 • Missouri Independent
In some counties, half of the spike in deaths during the pandemic is attributed to COVID-19. Researchers say that points to an undercount
missouriindependent.com
Watching an uncredited "TikTok" video with an unnamed "Navy surgeon"? Really?
How about an actual, verified video from the SURGEON GENERAL of the Navy?
The amount of conspiratorial misinformation being thrown around is amazing.
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Isn't Stars & Stripes a military publication? Not sure why you consider that misinformation. I do note what you said earlier "If you consider that a worldwide pandemic that has crippled education, the economy, the healthcare system, social structures and damaged the mental health of perhaps a billion people on the planet to be "blown out of proportion for what it is" then I would have to say I agree with your father."
When I read that my first thought wasn't that the pandemic did that but rather the response to the pandemic did that. I just took a glance at the first article you linked (will get to the others in time) and it supports that thought.
From your article: Death rates increased by almost 43 percent for Hispanic males and more than 32 percent for Hispanic females. Death rates in Black males rose by 28 percent and almost 25 percent for Black females, compared to roughly 13 percent for white males and 12 percent for white females. “That just shouldn’t be happening,” Woolf said. “There is this deeply embedded health consequence of systemic racism.”
This is a response issue.
From the article: Nine of the 10 long-time leading causes of death in the U.S. stayed the same, with Covid appearing on the list for the first time. Deaths from heart disease remained the leading cause of death, with cancer second, followed by Covid-19, unintentional injuries — which includes drug overdoses — stroke, chronic lower respiratory disease, Alzheimer’s disease, influenza and pneumonia, and kidney disease. Deaths due to heart disease, unintentional injury and diabetes saw the biggest rises.
There are still many ways to die in the time of covid.
From the article:
The rise in deaths from these other causes show the impact the pandemic has had on all aspects of health in America, experts say.
“What these increases in non-Covid causes are telling us is that in addition to people dying of Covid directly, there was also an adverse effect on people’s health for conditions unrelated to the virus,” Woolf said. Decreased access to care and medication, as well as the stress of the pandemic itself, contributed to the rise in non-Covid deaths, he said.
Again this is a response issue.
Article: Death from diabetes rose sixteenfold from 2019 to 2020, and surpassed 100,000 deaths for the first time, the report found.
What your first article tells me is that the way the pandemic was handled led to a lot of extra deaths. The one size fits all approach of lockdowns and vaccinations (to the exclusion of any other therapeutics, including your favorite whipping boy Ivermectin) combined with the incessant fear mongering no doubt had a role in the unavailability of medical care or the reluctance to use medical care that contributed to the increase in the death rate.
Just curious as we can tell you are passionate about this issue. What do you think the credibility is of the "your all gonna die this Christmas if you don't get vaccinated" and similar dire predictions that don't pan out as advertised. When you say for nearly two years in a row that death is immanent for everyone with the worst plague in modern history and there are 17 dead sailors with covid out of how many? 450,000? What is that? .003%? You are willing to run the inquisition for an ailment that has a 99.997 survival rate with current Navy sailors?
Sorry, I think something else is going on here. I appreciate how serious you consider the situation but the numbers don't add up.
When I read that my first thought wasn't that the pandemic did that but rather the response to the pandemic did that. I just took a glance at the first article you linked (will get to the others in time) and it supports that thought.
From your article: Death rates increased by almost 43 percent for Hispanic males and more than 32 percent for Hispanic females. Death rates in Black males rose by 28 percent and almost 25 percent for Black females, compared to roughly 13 percent for white males and 12 percent for white females. “That just shouldn’t be happening,” Woolf said. “There is this deeply embedded health consequence of systemic racism.”
This is a response issue.
From the article: Nine of the 10 long-time leading causes of death in the U.S. stayed the same, with Covid appearing on the list for the first time. Deaths from heart disease remained the leading cause of death, with cancer second, followed by Covid-19, unintentional injuries — which includes drug overdoses — stroke, chronic lower respiratory disease, Alzheimer’s disease, influenza and pneumonia, and kidney disease. Deaths due to heart disease, unintentional injury and diabetes saw the biggest rises.
There are still many ways to die in the time of covid.
From the article:
The rise in deaths from these other causes show the impact the pandemic has had on all aspects of health in America, experts say.
“What these increases in non-Covid causes are telling us is that in addition to people dying of Covid directly, there was also an adverse effect on people’s health for conditions unrelated to the virus,” Woolf said. Decreased access to care and medication, as well as the stress of the pandemic itself, contributed to the rise in non-Covid deaths, he said.
Again this is a response issue.
Article: Death from diabetes rose sixteenfold from 2019 to 2020, and surpassed 100,000 deaths for the first time, the report found.
What your first article tells me is that the way the pandemic was handled led to a lot of extra deaths. The one size fits all approach of lockdowns and vaccinations (to the exclusion of any other therapeutics, including your favorite whipping boy Ivermectin) combined with the incessant fear mongering no doubt had a role in the unavailability of medical care or the reluctance to use medical care that contributed to the increase in the death rate.
Just curious as we can tell you are passionate about this issue. What do you think the credibility is of the "your all gonna die this Christmas if you don't get vaccinated" and similar dire predictions that don't pan out as advertised. When you say for nearly two years in a row that death is immanent for everyone with the worst plague in modern history and there are 17 dead sailors with covid out of how many? 450,000? What is that? .003%? You are willing to run the inquisition for an ailment that has a 99.997 survival rate with current Navy sailors?
Sorry, I think something else is going on here. I appreciate how serious you consider the situation but the numbers don't add up.
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The Admiral Gillingham video is interesting. I wonder when it was made as it doesn't square up with the current situation but it does lay out the plan.
1 - Clear path to Victory - 3 safe and effective vaccines in our arsenal.
2 - These vaccines are safe. Pfizer, Moderna, and Jansen vaccines all meet FDA's high standards. Benefits of being vaccinated far outweigh the risks of the vaccines. Zero hospitalizations or severe infections of those fully immunized. More than 100 severe infections of those not vaccinated. 94% protection for fully immunized.
3 - Fully vaccinated is path back to normalcy - CDC guidance fully vaccinated don't need to wear masks indoors or outdoors. Force readiness, do your part, we are here to help you.
Yeah, that is a good summation of the official position pre-mandate.
Are the vaccines safe and effective (Clear Path to Victory)? For some but not all they are safe. As of today CDC VAERS shows 10,483 deaths from the covid vaccines in the US. You don't want to be in that 10,483. 94% effective? Hardly. For the 1000 kids at Cornell they were not effective at preventing them from catching or spreading covid. J&J no longer meets those FDA high standards. None of these vaccines are the FDA approved version (Comirnaty) that every service member is actually supposed to get. Not a single one. Not that it matters for the effect but that is what the law says. It is still unavailable in the US.
Fully vaccinated is path back to normalcy? Again, hardly. Not in California anyway.
I think the best part of the video is the comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated results but I would want to know what they mean by severe infection.
So yeah, good video for the time it came out but as I mentioned before you can't keep telling people these things when they see the true results. People stop listening when you lose credibility. That's why it is a mandate and not a request now.
1 - Clear path to Victory - 3 safe and effective vaccines in our arsenal.
2 - These vaccines are safe. Pfizer, Moderna, and Jansen vaccines all meet FDA's high standards. Benefits of being vaccinated far outweigh the risks of the vaccines. Zero hospitalizations or severe infections of those fully immunized. More than 100 severe infections of those not vaccinated. 94% protection for fully immunized.
3 - Fully vaccinated is path back to normalcy - CDC guidance fully vaccinated don't need to wear masks indoors or outdoors. Force readiness, do your part, we are here to help you.
Yeah, that is a good summation of the official position pre-mandate.
Are the vaccines safe and effective (Clear Path to Victory)? For some but not all they are safe. As of today CDC VAERS shows 10,483 deaths from the covid vaccines in the US. You don't want to be in that 10,483. 94% effective? Hardly. For the 1000 kids at Cornell they were not effective at preventing them from catching or spreading covid. J&J no longer meets those FDA high standards. None of these vaccines are the FDA approved version (Comirnaty) that every service member is actually supposed to get. Not a single one. Not that it matters for the effect but that is what the law says. It is still unavailable in the US.
Fully vaccinated is path back to normalcy? Again, hardly. Not in California anyway.
I think the best part of the video is the comparison between vaccinated and unvaccinated results but I would want to know what they mean by severe infection.
So yeah, good video for the time it came out but as I mentioned before you can't keep telling people these things when they see the true results. People stop listening when you lose credibility. That's why it is a mandate and not a request now.
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Some opinion, some epidemiology numbers - but all great reads to help guide those that have now worn out their Scully and Mulder Halloween costumes, as well as their Betamax copy of "Capricorn One" after the 11,567th viewing:
www.theguardian.com
www.deseret.com
Here also is one more tidbit (movie trailer) that will help you by way of allegory. Be sure to watch the full movie until the end:
Hope you all have a far more enlightened, conspiracy-free and healthy Christmas and 2022.
Why people believe Covid conspiracy theories: could folklore hold the answer?
Researchers use AI – and witchcraft folklore – to map the coronavirus conspiracy theories that have sprung up
Opinion: What anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers have in common
When I see the lies that many people seem to believe, the words of Ronald Reagan come to mind: ‘(It’s) not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’
www.deseret.com
Here also is one more tidbit (movie trailer) that will help you by way of allegory. Be sure to watch the full movie until the end:
Hope you all have a far more enlightened, conspiracy-free and healthy Christmas and 2022.
Just another liberal, drive-by, mainstream media...Oh, sorry! The Deseret News is owned by the LDS Church.Opinion: What anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers have in common
When I see the lies that many people seem to believe, the words of Ronald Reagan come to mind: ‘(It’s) not that they’re ignorant; it’s just that they know so much that isn’t so.’
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Great point about the LDS folks. As we all know, many liberals in the made-up, left-wing media also often quote Reagan as well.
To all my fellow tipplers out there, I enjoy reading about your recipes, your favorite brands, high balls and cocktails and the stories that go along with them. For instance, "I was drinking Singapore Slings when I had a memorable barfight in Mandalay." That kind of thing. I happen to have a soft spot for Stolichnaya Vodka, which was the only Russian Vodka available back in the day when I was in college studying Russian. The legal age was 18 at the time.
The cheap Scottish Presbyterian in me would make a suggestion to not use high priced liquor in many of the those drinks. Aromatic mixers, which is about all of them, hide the distinctive quality you enjoy in your favorite brand. For instance, tonic kills whatever distinction there is between Bombay Sapphire and Seagrams. The same can be said for Manhattans--an aromatic vermouth will have the same effect between Jim Beam and Woodford Reserve.
I have a good friend, much wealthier than I, who only drinks Macallan single malt. He has bottles of every age and size available. The only way he drinks it or allows it to be drunk in his home is in a small glass with one small ice cube--about a two tablespoon of water.
To tipplers and non-Tipplers alike, I wish you all a Merry Christmas! If you don't celebrate know that you would be welcome in homes, like mine, that do celebrate
The cheap Scottish Presbyterian in me would make a suggestion to not use high priced liquor in many of the those drinks. Aromatic mixers, which is about all of them, hide the distinctive quality you enjoy in your favorite brand. For instance, tonic kills whatever distinction there is between Bombay Sapphire and Seagrams. The same can be said for Manhattans--an aromatic vermouth will have the same effect between Jim Beam and Woodford Reserve.
I have a good friend, much wealthier than I, who only drinks Macallan single malt. He has bottles of every age and size available. The only way he drinks it or allows it to be drunk in his home is in a small glass with one small ice cube--about a two tablespoon of water.
To tipplers and non-Tipplers alike, I wish you all a Merry Christmas! If you don't celebrate know that you would be welcome in homes, like mine, that do celebrate
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Here's lookin' at you kid. Merry Christmas.
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- Best value/“go-to”: Woodford
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- Just out of my reach: 23yr pappy
- Just within my reach (NYC last week) but out of my price range: 12yr pappy
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I just tried this for the first time, tossing in some maraschino cherries/juice. It was excellent. One thing we can probably all agree on!
Whatever holidays you all celebrate, enjoy 'em!
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I grew up drinking Boston Coolers made with Vernor’s ginger ale (the best and only). Imagine my disappointment when we moved to Boston and I ordered one only to get quizzical looks. I didn’t realize that the name referred to a street in Detroit not the city. These are even more fantastic with a splash of your favorite bourbon.
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