November NROTC board results known?

patentesq said:
My DS has similar stats and hasn't heard a word (SAT 1560 out of 1600 and similar ECs, etc.). With those stats, I am amazed that you folks don't have scholarships. There must be something else at play here other than stats. Did your DS happen to select pricey, "tier 1" schools as college choices? Mine did.
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Yes, but also some that were well within reach -- I know, I am an alumnus of one of them, and he is a FAR better student than I ever was. Of course, NROTC requires the applicant to select a state school in the top three, so he did that as well. He does plan to be a Tier 3 major (as was I, and most of my classmates -- we used to refer to the engineers as "pre-business" because so many either switched or flunked out), so I suspect that if anyone has even looked at his record, that may be what is preventing his selection.
 
Lynpar said:
Dpt620 and alum dad, I surely hope you have both applied to the academies as well. Yikes! I remember back-reading posts this spring and the kids with these stats got welcome to the (fill in the blank) academy letters eventually.:smile: but I would ask if you are continuing to update with this years grades and accomplishments. My DS has received his appt to KP ( truly his first choice) and hasn't updated his NROTC file in the way he did his academy application and it worries me. He is still being considered but without all the recent updates it kind of surprises me. Not to be greedy I just worry something could happen between now and July 7th! Where is the knocking on wood smiley?
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Mine has gotten several letters from USNA telling him that his "application is incomplete," and he has responded several times explaining that he has NOT applied and does not intend to do so. Just got another last week. I've been in the Navy 22 years myself, and of all the nonsensical things I've seen them do, this is one of them.
 
NROTCAlumDad said:
Yes, but also some that were well within reach -- I know, I am an alumnus of one of them, and he is a FAR better student than I ever was. Of course, NROTC requires the applicant to select a state school in the top three, so he did that as well. He does plan to be a Tier 3 major (as was I, and most of my classmates -- we used to refer to the engineers as "pre-business" because so many either switched or flunked out), so I suspect that if anyone has even looked at his record, that may be what is preventing his selection.
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I don't believe your situation is unique. My DS did select one state school as required but listed all ivys on the rest. He has a Tier 2 major (Molecular Biology). He is also been "board certified" for USNA (missing only a nom, which is unlikely). DS did receive appointments to both USMA and USMMA. Do you think they may only be filling Tier 1 majors first?

Totally agree with your point about DS being "FAR better student than I ever was.":shake:
 
NROTCAlumDad said:
Mine has gotten several letters from USNA telling him that his "application is incomplete," and he has responded several times explaining that he has NOT applied and does not intend to do so. Just got another last week. I've been in the Navy 22 years myself, and of all the nonsensical things I've seen them do, this is one of them.
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MY DS checked the box that he was also interested in USNA, which prompted his USNA application. Can that be the problem here? Do they hold up up NROTC until DS gets the TWE because of no nom? In your case, did someone inadvertently check that box on your DS's behalf, thus holding things up?
 
patentesq said:
MY DS checked the box that he was also interested in USNA, which prompted his USNA application. Can that be the problem here? Do they hold up up NROTC until DS gets the TWE because of no nom? In your case, did someone inadvertently check that box on your DS's behalf, thus holding things up?
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No they don't hold up the scholarship until you get the TWE. My son received his in December, we are still waiting to hear about a USNA appointment.
 
CandidateInSD said:
No they don't hold up the scholarship until you get the TWE. My son received his in December, we are still waiting to hear about a USNA appointment.
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I may have totally underestimated the competitive nature of ROTC. Congrats to your DS!!!!!
 
patentesq said:
I don't believe your situation is unique. My DS did select one state school as required but listed all ivys on the rest. He has a Tier 2 major (Molecular Biology). He is also been "board certified" for USNA (missing only a nom, which is unlikely). DS did receive appointments to both USMA and USMMA. Do you think they may only be filling Tier 1 majors first?

Totally agree with your point about DS being "FAR better student than I ever was.":shake:
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I don't think they are filling only Tier 1 majors first. My DS had a complete app in summer for Tier 1, has great stats like some recently posted and not a word from the NROTC. It is truly agonizing to wait and not have anyone to communicate with to find out if the application has ever been reviewed or its likelihood of acceptance.
 
gonavy2015 said:
I don't think they are filling only Tier 1 majors first. My DS had a complete app in summer for Tier 1, has great stats like some recently posted and not a word from the NROTC. It is truly agonizing to wait and not have anyone to communicate with to find out if the application has ever been reviewed or its likelihood of acceptance.
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gonavy2015, you touched on a key point. There definitely should be better communication here. I understand delaying communications with applicants while ROTC waits for budget numbers to inform them about how many scholarships to award. That's fine and understandable. But what I really don't understand is why ROTC doesn't explain the process better and publish standards for applicants. Instead, SAF members are compelled to communicate with each other to try to piece things together. Unfortunately, I've been trying to figure out what the standards are for both NROTC and AROTC and have not been able to do so. (AFROTC seems to be much different, in that it is a more of a true meritocracy). There seems to be a lot of factors involved in this process that are wholly unrelated to the credentials of the applicant.
 
patentesq said:
gonavy2015, you touched on a key point. There definitely should be better communication here. I understand delaying communications with applicants while ROTC waits for budget numbers to inform them about how many scholarships to award. That's fine and understandable. But what I really don't understand is why ROTC doesn't explain the process better and publish standards for applicants. Instead, SAF members are compelled to communicate with each other to try to piece things together. Unfortunately, I've been trying to figure out what the standards are for both NROTC and AROTC and have not been able to do so. (AFROTC seems to be much different, in that it is a more of a true meritocracy). There seems to be a lot of factors involved in this process that are wholly unrelated to the credentials of the applicant.
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I really think this agonizing waiting game is literally making me ill. I'm serious! It's been very frustrating and quite frankly depressing. They encourage the applicant to "hurry up" and fill out the application and then we wait... One thing I really don't like is that DS finishes the application in the fall and has no way of updating the app except for the SAT/ACT scores. Anything else you've accomplished/awarded, well it's too late. AROTC isn't like that. You can continually update your application.

Most of our kids here have been planning for this for many years. Most have attended some summer seminar or leadership seminar to some or all of the SA. This whole processs just doesn't make sense. And if it's because of the the budget cutting going on in Washington, can't they inform us? The Recruiting Officer doesn't tell you much either. Why is everything so hush hush? I think I would have been better off if they had written a letter saying "we are having delays, so please don't expect to hear from us until April." I think then I would have been much less stressed.

These kids need to make some decisions as do the parents. I just wish they'd hurry up and give us some info soon. Yay or Nay, we just need to know!!!:bang:
 
The one thing to remember that ROTC scholarships are usually more competitive than the SA's. The reason why is that every SA candidate or 99% of them will apply for ROTC scholarships. Whereas, 99% of ROTC candidates don't apply for the SA.

LY it actually became comical on some ROTC threads. There were candidates that did not get a scholarship. yet got into an SA.

IMPO the entire system is messed up.

There should be the 2 track system, but I think they should all have the same system regarding awarding scholarships like every SA has the same system for appointing.

USMA/USNA/AFA all have different info released to candidate, but the system is the same regarding how the process works, including the same % for every aspect in the WCS score.

Thank G*d for sites like this where you can learn more. Imagine right now there are many applicants who are navigating the system for multiple ROTC scholarships and trying to truly understand the impact of selecting 5 schools. Getting a scholarship to one, but rejected by the college. I would bet my life that there is at least one recipient who believes it is over, and does not know they can try to change the school to match the scholarship.
 
patentesq said:
MY DS checked the box that he was also interested in USNA, which prompted his USNA application. Can that be the problem here? Do they hold up up NROTC until DS gets the TWE because of no nom? In your case, did someone inadvertently check that box on your DS's behalf, thus holding things up?
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I just wanted to second the fact that they do not hold up NROTC scholarships for candidates waiting to hear from USNA. My D is 3Qd and has 3 nominations and received the NROTC scholarship. She is a tier 2 major. I am starting to think that the school selection may have more to do with it than I originally thought. I hope all of you who are waiting hear some good news soon.
 
Pima said:
LY it actually became comical on some ROTC threads. There were candidates that did not get a scholarship. yet got into an SA.

IMPO the entire system is messed up.
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Comical indeed. My DS is in that very position at this very moment, only he's been admitted to two SAs. No word from ROTC to even begin to evaluate which is the best commissioning path (ROTC v. SA). I have to say, however, that the SAs have been MUCH more helpful on the communications front (not one-on-one communications, but published standards available to all about what the SAs are looking for in successful applicants, such as CFA, GPA, MOC noms, targeted recruiting efforts, etc.). Right now, for any SA candidate who posts "What are my chances", I can actually provide an educated guess. With ROTC, I cannot.
 
No disagreement with me.

I think the reason why is that ROTC is a nationalistic approach, whereas SA is geographically centric. For example a candidate for the SA from AR will not go up against a candidate from VA ***Caveat, not until the NWL for SA.

Whereas, the candidate from AR will go up against the candidate from VA. Caveat: for NROTC and AROTC if they both apply to the same schools. For AFROTC it is everyone since schools do not play into the equation.

As a parent this can create a large amount of frustration trying to sort out and convert in your mind who's on first?

For example:

Child applied to every SA, but only applied to AFROTC and NROTC. So now you are dealing with keeping track of noms, DodMerb, and AFROTC boards, plus NROTC boards, plus their schools.

The saying SHOOT ME NOW quickly comes to mind.

FWIW re: AFROTC I state this regarding chances...99% of the AFA candidates will apply for ROTC, your goal should be competitive with AFA. In other words, you need @1300+ on the SAT. You need @ 3.6+ gpa, and AP/IBs. You need ECs, including athletics.

I am willing to bet that NROTC also has 99% of USNA candidates applying too. Same with AROTC and USMA.

Want to be truly competitive? Be in the parameters of the SA's in this economy to get awarded the best scholarship.

Caveat: AROTC has a lot of scholarships compared to NROTC and AFROTC. NROTC right now is probably the hardest one to get out of the big 3.
 
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For what it's worth, just to let you know there is some movement, two of my DS's friends received word that they were denied NROTC scholarships yesterday. Fingers crossed for you all still waiting.
 
How do they inform the candidates that they will not receive the scholarship --- is it via a letter or a call?
 
To be honest, I'm not sure, I did ask my son how they found out so that I could share that here, but you know teenagers, they don't always ask the questions we want answers to. I'll post here if I find out.
 
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