NROTC, AFROTC, and AROTC chances

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  1. Giovanni808

    Giovanni808 Member

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    I know it's kind of late already. However, there should be the second to last board due date coming up within the next couple of weeks, and my predicament is that I was told by a prior PMS, now my school JROTC teacher, that my profile looked competitive, but I haven't been training that much. I just took my physical fitness assessment and scored REALLY bad, 2mins pushups were only 57, and my 2 mins sit-up/crunches were only 58. 1.5 mile was 13:50. The rest of my profile is as follows:

    I have a 3.94 GPA weighted and a 3.86 unweighted as of my junior year, and I've gotten a 4.2 this last quarter for senior year.
    AP Classe: English Lang. & Comp., English Liter. & Comp., Calculus, Chemistry (4 out of 6 AP's offered at my school)
    College Courses: Psychology 100, Spanish 101, Economics 120 (10 credit hours total)
    SAT Math+ Reading: 1310
    ACT w/ writing: 30
    Sports: 2 yrs. JV basketball, 1 yr. JV and 1 yr. Varsity cross country, 1 yr. JV and 2 yrs. Varsity track, and taekwondo (Candidate for black belt, assistant instructor)
    Clubs: DECA (vice president, state competitor and medalist), student government (treasurer), Key club, Interact, pono club ( community service club), and graduation committee chairperson
    Boy scouts: troop guide, Order of the Arrow honor society, and Eagle scout
    Volunteer lifeguard at Boy scout camps
    Worked as a math tutor for the first 3 years of HS
    Volunteer hours: 9th-165
    10th- 170
    11th- 300 (eagle project included)
    12th- 317 (Volunteer lifeguard hours included)
    Intended Major: Aerospace Engineering

    I don't know if I should chance submitting my application earlier with the bad PFA but get 2 board chances or if I should just wait, train more, and get a better PFA but only be able to go through 1 board (the last one). If someone could please help, thank you.
     
  2. Oldsalt

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    Congratulations on a strong high school resume.
    Your scores are at the bottom of the range. See link below. Scores start on page 15.
    http://www.nrotc.navy.mil/pdfs/pre-conditioning.pdf
    Since the AFA is back again, I don't know how it is being treated. You have to decide the likelihood of being picked up with a "probationary" run score.
    JMHO,
    OS
     
  3. Phyzix

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    To be honest your PFT is really weak. 13:50 run is definitely going to hurt you. (Why score so low if you play all those sports? CC + track? I'd assume a lot less. Your GPA is decent (depending on how your school weighs it.)

    AFROTC doesn't count anything you do senior year. Your test scores are strong and your EC's are pretty good too.

    Personally, I believe the interviewer would ask you why your PFT is so weak when you have all these EC's that include fitness (so I might assume you're lazy.)

    Even though we can't accurately chance you without everything because none of us sits on the board (according to PIMA.)

    SO good luck, I only speak for AFROTC.
     
  4. Pima

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    I agree that run hurts you... 9+ minute mile for a guy is bad. Basically you really want to bring that down by at least 3 minutes.

    Rememberthe only way to contract is passing your PFT. It is also going to be one of the first impressions in the unit. It is not uncommon for cadets to buust that first PFT, but usually it is going to be because they are not doing the correct form, not the run.

    As Phyzix said nothing you do your senior year counts except for SAT/ACT. Additionally, AFROTC does not super score, it is best sitting, so if your best sitting is not those scores they will not be judging you on that.

    Finally, if you need the scholarship to attend the college, AFROTC is what many people would describe as 2+2. You are guaranteed for 2 years and as a sophomore you will compete for field training and if not selected the chances are very high that they will revoke your scholarship and disenroll you.
     
  5. Giovanni808

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    Yeah, my time and reps were really bad, I have only started to train again a couple weeks ago. Most of my senior year so far I have been busy with college apps and difficult schoolwork so I had to cut back on working out, and I was not even able to participate in CC this year too because of it. Is it that bad, that I should just wait and try again though, or just submit it already with I think that second to last board just so I get 2 shots? I know I can do much better if I get back to training, however I do not know how much I can improve before the final deadline comes up.
     
  6. EDelahanty

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    You still have 45 minutes of daylight where you are. Get off the computer, put your sneakers on, and get moving.

    It's great that you have a rigorous academic load, but if you don't improve your run time, nobody will want to hear why you were too busy to get in shape. A nine minute mile time is not sufficient to activate a scholarship even if you are awarded one. We're friends here and trying to be of help, but please don't use that excuse about college applications on anybody who is tasked with evaluating you, particularly an ROTC interviewer.

    If you join any ROTC in college - with or without scholarship - you will have to get a lot better at setting priorities and allocating time.
     
  7. Giovanni808

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    you're right, there are no excuses, thank you for the insight.
     
  8. Pima

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    Have you had your interview yet?

    If not, the chances are you will not meet the second board anyway because the PMS is part of the score. Colleges are shutting down now for about a month. ROTC staff are typically not allowed leave when school is in session. That means during breaks the staff usually goes to skeleton manning.

    I believe the next AFROTC board is the first week of January. You are really up against the wall for that interview than.

    If you have had it, but had not submitted the CFA than live, breathe working out every day for the next few weeks to the point of exhaustion.

    I am not sure how the AFROTC boards work when it comes to the PFA, (mainly because it has never been a topic), but if it is like the CFA for USAFA it is a pass/fail situation. I know if it is like the CFA that you will get certain points for the score and that is a percentage of the other all score. However, for the CFA you could get the max points on the other areas, but if you failed even one section you will be considered as failing it totally and will get 0 points total. Your score would be considered failing and if it is like the CFA you will get a 0.

    The overall weight of the PFA is not a lot. It is a percentage of a section. The EC section, so you won't be losing a lot, but you are what I call leaving it on the table. It could be the difference from a type 2 or 7 or a 7 and nothing.

    Just so you know this is typically the AFROTC scholarship breakdown.
    @18% of all boarded will get a scholarship. In years past that number has hovered around 900-1000 recipients. The board is national, they do not care what state or college you will attend. If 90% live in NJ, than so be it.
    5% of all awarded get type 1. Or about 45-50
    15% get type 2. @135-150
    80% get type 7.

    If your college choice for a type 7 is more than what the IS college charges you can convert it to a type 2 3 year. You will not contract until your sophomore year.

    Hope this helps you understand why we are emphazing that the PFT needs to get much better.

    Good luck.
     
  9. Giovanni808

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    thank you, and I have a Navy recruiter helping to set up an appointment with an officer within the next couple of weeks. As for Army the JROTC teacher at my school said that I can contact someone he knows on my island that can do the interview pretty soon as well. Air force is the only one that I haven't been able to do much yet.

    I've also been working out non-stop since. Thanks for the advice.
     
  10. Giovanni808

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    UPDATE: The numbers for my PFA were estimates of what I thought I got. Since then, my instructor has filled out the papers with the actual numbers and I was off. Actual is as followed:
    Sit ups:
    1min- 42
    2 mins- 58

    Push Ups:
    1 min- 54
    2 mins- 56 (Flopped this, I know)

    Mile run: 7:48
    1.5 Mile run: 11:49

    not much better but the run time I was like 2 mins off on my estimate..
     
  11. k2rider

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    Hurry up and get things done and I like your chances....at least with AROTC. The others seem more selective as they have fewer slots to fill. To be honest, I never did the Boy Scouts thing (and neither did my son) but the Eagle Scout accomplishment *seems* to carry a lot of weight in most conversations on this board.

    I know the PMS' at the (2) schools where my son made visits to both commented that they like the "sports oriented/athlete" cadets who come if ready to kick *** in the PFT. At least one of them, at Gonzaga, specifically commented that he likes wrestlers, water polo guys and football players. So when you get that scholarship (let's think positive....but even if you don't get one), work work work to get in the best shape in your life. As the old saying goes, you only get one chance to make a first impression.
     
  12. Pima

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    Fwiw I think it is a minute that they use. At least let's hope so because I know USAFA uses the two min. test. They never publish the minimum, but they do publish the max. The max for sit ups is 95 and pushups are either 85 or 89.

    Just move forward and get the interview done soon because you are running out of boards to meet. Plus, until you get awarded a scholarship they usually wont send you for the DoDMERB exam. If you need a remedial or a waiver it can take up to a few months, which means if you need the scholarship to pay for your dream school you might not have that aspect completed before the deposits and matriculation paperwork is due for the school.

    Also for AROTC and NROTC it might mean that your top schools are filled up by the time you are boarded....this is why posters shy away from chancing anyone because there are too many moving pieces from one applicant to another. The two big pieces that are unknown are how or if they will adjust your cgpa and your school choices.
    ~ There are thousands of HSs in the nation, so to level the playing field the GCs at your HS will submit a school profile. They will use that information to formulate your cgpa to their formula. Some candidates see it stay the same, some will see it drop and some will see it rise. They will look at the scale....7 point or 10 point. They will look at the weight. They will look at your rank and compare it to the school profile. Let's say you are top 25%, with your cgpa, but 0% go Ivy. Now take a candidate with a 3.72 cgpa, top 25% go Ivy. One says one school is more rigorous when handing out grades compared to the other school.
    ~ The school choices matter because a candidate that has MIT, Harvard, UVA, Johns Hopkins and Cornell will need higher stats compared to the kid that has U of Timbuktoo.

    That is why unless you see a poster with your school choices and similar stats awarded a scholarship, don't assume anything....and why posters don't like chancing.

    Statistically your academic record is on par for the scholarship, but it could mean the difference of getting one or not because you might be able only to meet one board due to not having the interview completed yet.
    ~ AFROTCs next board is end of January. If you don't get it done within the next 4 weeks you will probably miss that board. Leaving you out until March.
     
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  13. AROTCPMS

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    Interview?

    How did your Army ROTC interview go? That is the most important part both directly and indirectly.

    Rob Kirkland (LTC, Ret.)
    "The Insider's Guide to the Army ROTC Scholarship for High School Students and Their Parents" (Amazon)
     
  14. Giovanni808

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    All of my applications are done, and I'm awaiting a call from the PMS to schedule an interview. They're all on holiday stand down Im assuming because the army PMS wasn't answering his phone when I tried calling for an appointment and the Navy recuiter said that the Navy officer won't call me until after the holidays as well.
     

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