NROTC delemmia?

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  1. Etuck24

    Etuck24 New Member

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    Hoping I could get some advice for my situation in the ROTC hunt, it's a little long, but just giving as much information as I can.

    So I had opened a file for the Navy ROTC program, and our local recruiting office called me in before I had done much of the application. On Friday, I get a call from the head of the recruiting station to come in and "finish paperwork" on Monday afternoon. So I say sure, under the assumption that since they called me in, they know I haven't done much of the application quite yet (since, ya know, I wasn't going to do it all in 2 days). I go in and get some release papers signed, and get teacher recommendation forms, and interview with an officer (a surprise, no one told me that's what I would also be doing. Luckily I interviewed extremely well and got good marks from him). The head of the station told me I needed to go and get these recommendation forms done. I go and give them to my teachers/coach with no real time table for when I need them, since I was never given one. I simply asked them to complete them when they had the time, and I'll check back in in a few days.

    So today (Thursday, 2 days after I get the papers) I get called to the guidance office to find my guidance counselor and one of the Navy recruiters. He said the Chief requested that my paperwork and application be submitted TODAY since today is the last day for this months application process. Now, I had forgotten that this is simply not feasible since my essays weren't complete, my fitness test wasn't done, and my recommendations were not in my possession. The recruiter asked if I could see if these teachers could do them today - I was able to get 2 of my more friendly teachers to do it, but my English teacher said he simply couldn't do it right that minute(I have to have one math, one English and one other recommendation). After I embarrass myself with the English teacher, I return to the recruiter and tell him, and also remind him I only got these things Monday afternoon, and no one informed me that I had less than a week to complete my entire application, since this is only the second month that the board is reviewing applications. (The last month is January 2013) Not to mention, the school year is almost done, and my main priority is finishing the year out strong.

    I felt bad that I wasn't prepared, but I simply was not told that I was trying to complete the entire process in 3 days. I apologized to the recruiter sent to my school, but I told him I would have to do it the next month at the earliest. He was just as uninformed with the whole thing as I was, his only instructions were to be sent to my school and collect everything for submission today.

    So sorry about the length, but can anyone tell me in their best guesses 1). Why would I only be given 3 days to get my recommendations, write essays, do a fitness test, etc. 2). Have I screwed up now, since the Chief at the recruiting office wanted it done today? 3). Will submitting the application next month instead of this month have that much impact on the decision? 4). I wasn't aware that the review process is a rolling month by month thing, so I was going to wait to do the fitness test until I'm in better shape after I play soccer over the summer, but does this have to be submitted right away with everything else?
     
  2. BarrettaM59

    BarrettaM59 Member

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    Recruiting question

    Had you seen these recruiters prior to the application process?

    It sounds like someone was trying to tie up some loose ends prior to being relieved or something.

    They also have dates that are not published.

    It is unlikely that what you went through will have a negative influence on your application.

    You are talking about the Navy ROTC process not the MO process?
     
  3. Etuck24

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    No I hadn't been in contact with the recruiters prior to opening a file online. And I am talking about the NROTC scholarship process, yes. There was a kid who was a bit further along in the process than I who went to the interview on the same day I did, however he actually knew he was going to be interviewed, and I did not. Maybe they wanted to try and get both of us finished at the same time? But they should have known I hadn't done much of it yet.
     
  4. jocomom

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    When my DS went to the recruiting office, the recruiter had him sit down and type up his essay on the spot. It came as a bit of a surprise, but it all worked out in the end!
     
  5. nuensis

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    Unless they changed policy for this next scholarship year, there is no physical test for Navy Option NROTC. Marine Option, yes, but not Navy Option.

    Not sure why your recruiters are rushing you this much. There might be something behind the scenes, or they might know about an impending scholarship board and really want you to get a chance as soon as possible.

    I took a good amount of time with my NROTC application last year, and finished it in early August with my USNA application. My recruiters gave me an initial timeline of about a week. I had to wait on teacher recommendations, so I missed it. My recruiters didn't mind, they just kept rolling, and I got my application sent in all the same.

    I think I missed one board, but I got a scholarship in the end anyway. I don't think this will affect your selection much, other than missing an opportunity to be selected.
     
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    Oh ok, for some reason I thought I needed a fitness test along with the rest of my application
     
  7. cy12

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    A similar thing happened to me. I "started" the application during the summer. I was planning to do the essays and recomendations once school started. I was out of the country (and cell range) when I got the call from the recruiter. I called him back ASAP when I was home. He asked if I could get everything done by the following monday for my interview. I didn't want to make a bad impression so I replied "yes". And I spent the first two weeks of school running around trying to find recomendation's and write the two essays. As far as I know, the recruiter was none the wiser, and I let my teachers know how much I appreciated their help on such short notice.

    I think they do this to get you into the earliest board possible, and give you the best chance possible. In hindsight, I'm glad I got mine in early, because I was picked up on the first board. Unfortunately I still had to wait until the last minute for a scholarship transfer.

    My advice is to not start an application unless you have the time to finish it in a couple of days. Also, try to know where you want to go when you do the application. Obviously this is hard for some people if their goal is a reach school and they don't know if they will get in. I applied to 4 schools and arranged them in a random order on my NROTC app. Then I decided to go to Iowa State, because I LOVED the school/campus/town/atmosphere. It was the very first application (and the easiest - 15min to complete and recieved a reply in 2 days) I filled out. Even though I made my decision on a school in January, because of the NROTC transfer process, I did not find out until 4 or 5 days before the may 1 deadline.

    Sorry, that was long but I wanted to put out all the info/advice I had on the subject. Good luck
     
  8. Etuck24

    Etuck24 New Member

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    See, I probably could have completed it in the two days if I knew, but no one told me thats what I was aiming for.
     
  9. cy12

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    Same here, hindsight is 20/20
     
  10. jiller59

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    My son met his recruiter for the 1st time on June 15, started his application for NROTC in June, finished it in August (along with essays and letters of rec), had his interview in August and all was forwarded to the Board. It is believed the 1st board was September this year and that his app went before the board in October. He received notification of his scholarship on November 4.

    He was never rushed or pressured though he did keep in contact with his recruiter.

    The NROTC physical fitness test will take place when he reports to his school this August.

    There must be an underlying reason for the rush at that recruiting affice because I don't think that is the norm.
     
  11. BlahuKahuna

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    I had a similar experience to the OP when I went through the process...I had a recruiter who wanted to complete part of the application in his office and called me on a semi-regular basis until I was interviewed.

    It was definitely a contrast from the nomination, academy, and AFROTC applications I went through at the same time, where I was the only one managing my application until the interview stage.
     
  12. dunninla

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    This feels a whole lot to me like the "something is going on behind the scenes" scenario mentioned in a post above.

    Actually, it feels like the recruiter has a Quota of completed applications for each month of the recruiting season. Perhaps the recruiter is evaluated based upon % of results to goal, and if the recruiter has a goal of, say, 8 completed applications by May 31, then that's what he is trying to accomplish... YOU JUST GOT IN THE WAY OF HIS QUOTA.

    I have no issue with that, EXCEPT if by rushing, your completed application file is not as impressive to the Review Board as it would have been if you hadn't rushed. Perhaps your essay will have some logical, grammatical or spelling errors that it wouldn't have had if you took your time. Perhaps the English, Math, etc. recommendations would have been stronger and more effective if you had had the time to brief each recommender about your life goals, your skills, and how the NROTC program is a great fit for that. Your recommender would than have the information to be able to demonstrate specifically in his/her recommendation how great YOU would be for the Navy. A rushed, general recommendation doesn't do much more than tick of the Box for "Recommendation Received" in the file. In fact, the recommender might conclude you must be rude and pushy to ask for an on-the-spot recommendation, and further conclude that you must lack in basic time management skills, and give a lukewarm recommendation at best.
     
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  13. Pima

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    I agree with dunninla, I would have the same fear regarding rushing it.

    This is not and has never been a sprint, it is a marathon. I am just not understanding why it had to be done ASAP when in reality the boards will not meet for scholarship selections until October.

    USNA candidates have yet to be selected from their PCQ packet and will not start their application until July sometime. May seems insanely early. Is he inferring that if someone walks in June 15th, they would be too late for the Oct. board?

    I do wonder if the recruiter may be PCSing and trying to close out files prior to leaving, which is a positive thing for the candidate; let's be honest sometimes paperwork does get lost in transitions. I do not know if the recruiter does get points for their monthly quota regarding ROTC, but if they do, and it being the end of the month, I would wonder if it was more about them and less about the applicant.
     
  14. basilrathbone

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    We have had this happen a couple of times. Last year our local recruiter explained to me that the first board meets after they have enough packets processed, sometimes August, sometimes later. For the first board they take take the first certain number of completed packets (I think the number he gave gave me was about 400). Since the local recruiters don't have visibility on how close they are nationally to filling, they push for May and early June to assure being able to be seen in the first board. An applicant can have everything done before the first board but they may not get a look unless they're in that first grouping. It's not the end of the world to be longer in filling it out but it sure helps not only in securing a scholarship but also in getting your first preference of Units which start to fill early.
     

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