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  1. Sydney C.

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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Pretty pathetic.
     
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    "The report found the crews were poorly prepared, their boats not properly maintained, communication almost entirely lacking, and their conduct after being captured by the Iranians wasn't up to military standards." ...

    "The report said that mission leaders showed "blatant disregard for the genuine concern of sailors,"

    (http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/30/politics/iran-navy-capture-investigation-report/)

    Ouch!
     
  4. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Don't give up the...... well...... Sometimes consider not giving up the ship.

    Nothing to be proud of from that incident.
     
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    This incident reminds me so much like the scene in "Stripes" where that misfit platoon gets captured after straying into Czechoslovakia. Had these individuals received more Code of Conduct Training instead of Inclusion and Sensitivity Awareness, perhaps this incident would not have been such an embarrassment.
     
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    Password.
     
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    Under the circumstances of what was released in the report, "Giving up the Ship" seemed the only viable option. Given that the manpower on the boats did not allow them to both man the weapons and maneuver the boat, any resistance could have turned out a lot worse. It's hard to play by the book when several chapters are left out or poorly written. Seems like many dominos were misplaced on what should have been a routine operation resulting in an embarrassing result.

    No argument there.
     
  8. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Yeah, I don't think so. "Don't Give Up the Ship" was never about "when it's just easy." On top of that, at least one of the boats could be maneuvered (right? Or am I wrong, because that could be true too).

    Fire 'em all.

    I have NO idea why the Navy feels the need to develop a brown water navy... I believe those experts already exist.
     
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  9. Jmoney457

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    I think giving up the ship was undoubtedly the right thing to do in this scenario. There's no need to endanger people's lives with some sort of little engagement for some misguided nationalism and display of power.
     
  10. LineInTheSand

    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    Actually display of power (and the flag) is one reason to engage.

    If the Navy can't figure out how to do that, just pack it in.... And start folding cloths at the exchange.
     
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    If the boats were clearly in international waters then I could understand the right to engage, they were not. To engage with one disabled boat and another undermanned to an extent they could not engage and maneuver at the same time while having strayed into Iranian waters would have been ill advised at best.

    According to the report, neither boat was manned to the level of being able to man the weapons and maneuver at the same time.
     
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    LineInTheSand USCGA 2006

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    It may be time for a few people to review international maritime law which includes issues of innocent passage and what happens when a vessel breaks down in territorial seas (12 NM).

    Of course, being able to navigate is a big part of this too. Almost comical that there's been a number of articles praising USNA's return to celestial navigation...
     

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