Plebe Color Test

Hi aooga15 - the kids were taken to the Manhattan office of the Coast Guard apparently. My kid and vamama's kid were the two the didn't pass the FALANT.
 
so sorry for your outcome...

huenemed- I am so sorry to hear of the outcome for your son. I didn't hear about my DS being taken anywhere until he called home yesterday and told us. It wasn't a suprise to us as we knew he couldn't pass the dot test. Yet our hearts were broken by learning that a few kids were not able to pass the other test. So sorry to hear it was your son. I will keep you and your son in my thoughts and prayers. (as well as Vamama's son) I'm sorry for this outcome.. and sincerely wish the very best for your son with his future.
 
To the parents and their children - So sorry that this happened. I think my son, who is a drill instructor, walked VAmama and VApop's son around to get the papers signed and got a chance to talk with him a bit. He said that he would have been great for King's Point. He took him in to talk with the soccer coach as my son is also a soccer player. My son mention Virginia Tech as an option for him but my son did not tell your son that one of his very good friends and former club soccer team mate is a freshman on the soccer team at Virginia Tech. I will him the best of luck!!
 
I meant to type "I wish him the best of luck" instead of "I will him the..". If I could "will" it, I would.
 
For all the well wishers that got us through this little trial of life, I'm pleased to report that CalMaritime opened up admissions for my son - he is well qualified and is looking forward to his maritime education in facilities engineering. He's a KP'er at heart, but at least he can stay connected to the maritime industry, AND go surfing Northern California (he celebrated by buying himself a nice, new, warm wetsuit!). Thanks everybody and to those who may stumble upon this thread in the future - chin up, look forward! The week my son had at KP was a great experience regardless and he'll never forget it.
 
huenemed said:
For all the well wishers that got us through this little trial of life, I'm pleased to report that CalMaritime opened up admissions for my son - he is well qualified and is looking forward to his maritime education in facilities engineering. He's a KP'er at heart, but at least he can stay connected to the maritime industry, AND go surfing Northern California (he celebrated by buying himself a nice, new, warm wetsuit!). Thanks everybody and to those who may stumble upon this thread in the future - chin up, look forward! The week my son had at KP was a great experience regardless and he'll never forget it.
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That is SO great to hear! Thank you for keeping us posted and many well wishes to your son...
 
What an awful thing to put the PCs through and their families. You think the color testing would be done before everyone gets their hopes up and receive appointments to KP. I don't get it! Can someone explain please?
 
best of luck

To-huenemed that is WONDERFUL news and THANK YOU so much for giving us the update. Please tell your son good luck... I'm sure he will do fantastic! I'm thrilled to hear that he's on his way at CalMaritime!
Best of luck to your family, and to your son.
and thanks again for postiing this- I've been thinking about "those other 2 kids" quite a bit- so glad to know your son is ok... and beginning his "journey". God Bless...
 
If I am not mistaken, one of my classmates found out that he didn't meet the color recongnition requirements until after he passed his license exam. I do also beleive that he was able to work things out. I often wonder how these things come up so late in the process (i.e. during Indoc). I know that even back in ancient days (like mine), I had the testing done when I was meeting my Congressman's requirement for nomination. In fact, I had a full flight physical (took all day) at the local Air Force Base. I even remember taking depth perception tests, too.
 
To KP2013dramamama

KP2013dramamama-
YES, the color test IS given before they head off to KP. I'm not sure what happened in their process, quite possibly a doctor just signed them off that they passed when maybe they didn't? (so they had no clue until they got to KP) ? My DS was one of the 4 that didnt' pass the dot test during INDOC. We already KNEW he couldn't pass the dot test- he can see all his colors JUST FINE, but when we went through the process (phsycial, eye exam, physical assment test, nominations, etc) we learned that he is color deficient. He failed the dot test here at home... we ended up having to drive 4 hours each way on 2 seperate occasions to take the Lantern Farnsworth test up in Chicago. (that test is only administered at a few places in the country). DS DID pass that test while we were "in the process"- the lady administering it in Chicago told my DS that he is FINE, and he CAN pass it, he just has to let his eyes "adjust" for 2 seconds before he reads off the colors in the Lantern test... THUS... we EXPECTED this once he got to KP. I'm sure he wasn't shocked at all when he failed the dot test during INDOC. 4 kids failed that dot test during INDOC and were taken to Manhatten for the Lantern test... 2 of the 4 passed, the other 2 were sent home. I'm saddened to learn that someone could get that far in the process and then get the shock of their lives during INDOC. These are all wonderful kids- I am thrilled to hear that 1 of them is now headed off to CalMaritime.
 
Quick follow up. Yesterday there was a piece of packaging on our counter that was red, white and green. So I asked the kid, show me what is red - picks it out immediately no problem. I ask, show me green - no problem. Show me white - no problem.

I know this doesn't substitute for the actual tests, but you can see why we were shocked that he was "color deficient"!
 
huenemed said:
Quick follow up. Yesterday there was a piece of packaging on our counter that was red, white and green. So I asked the kid, show me what is red - picks it out immediately no problem. I ask, show me green - no problem. Show me white - no problem.

I know this doesn't substitute for the actual tests, but you can see why we were shocked that he was "color deficient"!
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Yup.

Only thing I can tell you is that reflected color, such as from a piece of paper, or solid objects, is perceived differently than emitted color, like LEDs, LCD screens, and so forth.

It's a raw deal of genetics.
 
I would imagine the amount of ambient light is aolso parrt of it. But I can surely understand your frustration. Now that Cal. Maritime is happening is it too soon to start teasing him about how he has dressed himself all these years? I can see that being a long standing family joke. " you are wearing thAt? Oh yeah, forgot" Or is it still too soon?
Best wishes and please keep us posted on his progress.
 
Still too soon Lynpar, but in just a couple weeks those jokes will start!
 
Update on the other guy.

Tim, aka "Magic Hogarty" (as they called him during his week or so of Indoc at KP), is attending our local community college, and working part time at Jacksons, a local bar and grill. He is planning to get a degree in Engineering. Soccer has gone by the wayside for him for now (Tim was recruited to play soccer at KP). He seems to be doing ok though.

Tim can "see" colors. He is NOT color BLIND. He can tell me colors of yarn accurately, both primary tones, and paler hues. He does have some color DEFICIENCY that caused him to fail these tests but my brother has also failed those tests and has an unrestricted coast guard license and a pilot's license and told me he had no problem discerning the colors of the lights from his ship! He went to CalMaritime and was given a yarn test to qualify and he was in Engineering (that was years ago, he is 58 now). The color vision requirement was more strict for deck than engineering then. That seems to have been reversed now. He said once in later tests he was going to be failed on the Ishihara and he asked the examiner to "read the directions on the backs of the cards", and he could identify the colors of the dots on the cards even though he couldn't identify the letter or number made up of colored dots, and he passed. He said many examiners may not be familiar enough with the test procedures. A person with color deficiencies needs to learn all this AHEAD of time, and know what they can and can't do. If they allow you time, you may be able to adjust your eyes and study the card to make out the numbers following a pattern of groups of same colored dots with your finger, I can pass it that way and I am color deficient (it's in the genes).

I plan to find out what the back of those cards say, if possible.

Tim DID pass his initial medical tests that qualified him medically for Kings Point, including color testing as far as we know, or I don't think he would have been accepted. Who knows but maybe being so stressed and tired during Indoc may take the sharpness off of their faculties enough to make a slight difference in color vision so that someone who barely passed it normally, couldn't? But conditions at sea could be tiring and stressful too, so if that is so, maybe it's as it should be. Many unknowns.

We need to do more investigating and research to find out if Tim can qualify again, as he is still interested in Kings Point, and may be willing to go through this whole process again IF there is hope, but I don't want this to happen to him (or anyone else) again!
 
VAmama said:
I plan to find out what the back of those cards say, if possible.
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http://www.dfisica.ubi.pt/~hgil/P.V.2/Ishihara/Ishihara.14.Plate.Instructions.pdf

There ya go! The basics:
1)Use in a room lit by daylight
2)Hold at 75cm perpendicular to the line of sight (ie, holding a book straight out in front of you)
3)State the numeral on the page
4)No more than 3 seconds

Usually people do it incorrectly in that they give too much time. It is rare that the test is given incorrectly in the other direction.

Telling the colors on the plates or the colors of the dots or being allowed to trace the numbers with ones finger is not an authorized deviation for the test.

All I can say is best of luck, but the prudent person will be looking at all their options for future education outside of the sea-going services.
 
KP2001
The info refers to keeping the plates in a book. Is this a bound book? I've only seen separate plates. If bound the possibility of memorizing the sequence seems strong. Do the analysts ever shuffle the deck?
 
Idzak said:
KP2001
The info refers to keeping the plates in a book. Is this a bound book? I've only seen separate plates. If bound the possibility of memorizing the sequence seems strong. Do the analysts ever shuffle the deck?
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The set I use on a near daily basis is in a bound book. I thin there is a three ring binder style as well, but all I do if I think someone is trying to memorize is jump to different pages in a different order. It is usually pretty easy to spot someone who has tried to memorize. I do know that at NAMI where Navy flight physical are done by "the officials" the plates are rearranged on a regular basis.
 
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