Principle Nominee Question

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If I was not awarded principle nominee for my MOC slate, do the senators work together to make sure the same person does not get the principle twice?
 
First, it is a common mistake to use principle instead of principal.

Every Senator/MOC is different. Many do not use the principal nominee.

Senators and MOC often work together, but they aren’t required to.

Focus on what you can control, apply for all nominations you are qualified for.
 
The majority of MOCs send unranked slates to academies. Every MOC is different and every state is different. Some states try to coordinate (I am in VA) but it is not a perfect system and not all MOCs want to tell others who their slate is. A number do select a “Principal“ with ranked alternates, but even if two senators did select the same person - that person could only be “charged” to one of the senators, so it really wouldn’t matter the next in line would become the first in rank for that slate. But, as @A1Janitor says, focus on what you can control. A nomination is a nomination. I see too many candidates that spend too much time on where their nomination came from or if it was a senator or congressperson, or were they third in rank or fifth. Because the academies begin a process of shuffling nominations as soon s they are all in, you may truly never know (for sure) where your appointment is eventually charged. The big deal now is if you have a nom. and making sure that you put your best foot forward for the eventual selection. Good luck…
 
MarTac said:
The majority of MOCs send unranked slates to academies. Every MOC is different and every state is different. Some states try to coordinate (I am in VA) but it is not a perfect system and not all MOCs want to tell others who their slate is. A number do select a “Principal“ with ranked alternates, but even if two senators did select the same person - that person could only be “charged” to one of the senators, so it really wouldn’t matter the next in line would become the first in rank for that slate. But, as @A1Janitor says, focus on what you can control. A nomination is a nomination. I see too many candidates that spend too much time on where their nomination came from or if it was a senator or congressperson, or were they third in rank or fifth. Because the academies begin a process of shuffling nominations as soon s they are all in, you may truly never know (for sure) where your appointment is eventually charged. The big deal now is if you have a nom. and making sure that you put your best foot forward for the eventual selection. Good luck…
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Great explanations, thank you both and I got a vocab lesson in the process!
 
DS received a call yesterday from MOC asking if he wanted his #1 slate or stick with the one he already has from another MOC? (Not ranked) This is a junior MOC and I don’t believe he fully understands the process. Ds said he was asking about the appointment process ect. Anyway am I correct to assume #1 slate would be a principal nom?
 
Clueless 5 said:
DS received a call yesterday from MOC asking if he wanted his #1 slate or stick with the one he already has from another MOC? (Not ranked) This is a junior MOC and I don’t believe he fully understands the process. Ds said he was asking about the appointment process ect. Anyway am I correct to assume #1 slate would be a principal nom?
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That is indeed odd. That phraseology is a bit off, so I am not sure what is meant. An elected official can submit an unranked slate, a principal with ranked slate or a slate with a principal nom and the rest unranked.

My guess is that it’s a state that collaborates, and perhaps they don’t want to duplicate noms across slates among the Senators and Representatives. It sounds like this MOC wants perhaps to give the #1 spot to someone who has ranked that particular SA as their first choice, and then the nom from the other unranked slate would disappear. ??

I recommend your son call back but speak to an experienced staff to ask what is actually being iffered, before responding.

Detailed reference here:

 
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Clueless 5 said:
DS received a call yesterday from MOC asking if he wanted his #1 slate or stick with the one he already has from another MOC? (Not ranked) This is a junior MOC and I don’t believe he fully understands the process. Ds said he was asking about the appointment process ect. Anyway am I correct to assume #1 slate would be a principal nom?
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Boy, I would never assume anything! If we’re me, I (DS) would email them for clarification of what they are asking (then it’s in writing to refer to) if DS isn’t clear. Sometimes, when excited and emotional, ears aren’t necessarily working correctly 😆.

Or call. But I’m not even understanding what you are asking in your post. Communication can be fickle. I would want to fully understand what is being asked, before accepting removal of my name from a slate (if that’s what you are asking).
 
I appreciate the feedback and I Will recommend my DS follow up with them this week. As you said emotions were high at the time of the call. I also don’t think the MOC fully understands the process, his panel has done everything up until the phone call and he had as many questions for my DS as my DS has for him. This is only his second year dealing with the nominating process. And our first!
 
DS followed up with MOC. Nomination was indeed a principal nom! MOC’s staff said he was probably off on his wording during the call. Thanks for the advice.
 
Clueless 5 said:
DS followed up with MOC. Nomination was indeed a principal nom! MOC’s staff said he was probably off on his wording during the call. Thanks for the advice.
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Thanks for clarifying. MOCs can make nominations, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they’re familiar with the whole SA application process or even their own nomination process. For the most part, their staffs do the work, and they’re just the rubber stamp (if that) and presenter. So yes, their grasp of the terminology may be lacking.
 
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