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  1. EVDfootball

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    I read something about this before. It really makes sense Cuz the idea of all the competition is daunting which makes people give up on the application step. All I know is if it is true then my chances of getting in are better.
     
  3. frenzymando

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    @EVDfootball "More relevant may be the fact that about 1,900 applicants are deemed “fully qualified,” and about 1,500 are accepted. It’s not hard to be “fully qualified.” All it requires is SAT scores above 600, a B average from an undemanding high school, and some pushups."

    The purpose of making the acceptance rate seem lower that it actually is isn't to make people give up on their applications, it's to make the school seem more prestigious than it actually is. If a school accepts 90% of applicants, people will look at the acceptance rate and say "Well that can't be a very prestigious school." If a school accepts 5% of applicants, people will say "Wow! They only accept 5% of applicants? They must be amazing!" If the Naval Academy's acceptance rate were listed as 50% or something, the Naval Academy wouldn't seem as prestigious.
     
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    Do you think they do the same at all service academies?
     
  5. USAFA83GradWife

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    Ah yes. Mr Fleming strikes again! You can google him and find that he writes articles like this periodically.
    He's an English teacher at USNA and quite the hypocrite. Working and being paid by the same institution that he's railing against.

    My favorite quote from the article:

    "All it requires is SAT scores above 600, a B average from an undemanding high school, and some pushups."

    Interesting. I'll let the young man I know that's just received his 2nd TWE that he tried too hard: all honors classes, top of his class, Nat'l Merit Scholar, etc. Darn - and all those community service hours and leadership positions he held were just a waste of time! </sarc>
     
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    You can look at old threads on here regarding Professor Fleming. Every time he writes one we all debate it. Remember he is writing opinion pieces and uses little to no data to support his arguments. I have actually had him as a professor, not a bad prof. He was rather eccentric and impressed with himself.

    Take a look at the real numbers, number 3Q, number with noms and number offered appointments. Yes those numbers in many ways make it look less daunting. But it doesn't make the process easier. There are many old threads that talk about these numbers and acceptance percentages. Besides being 3Q and being appointed are two different things. Take a look at second time on the roller coaster threads and re applicant threads. I can tell you those candidates are quite impressive. You aren't going to find many, more In the rare category, with 1200 SATs and a B average. Every candidate that was accepted to USNA or NAPS that I met from my local area this year (9 total) were extremely impressive. Actually we had 4 NAPS guys this year, all minority football recruits. They all had 1300 or above SATs, 3.8 or above GPAs, and had all taken Calc, Chem and Physics. Those stats aren't earth shattering, but they aren't bad either.
     
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    I agree with you that the author really exaggerates how easy it is to get into the Naval Academy. There was a boy at my school last year that got accepted by Duke University but rejected by the Naval Academy. However, I think it's true that counting incomplete applications towards the admissions rate creates an inaccurate acceptance, and according to this article, http://www.northjersey.com/mobile/n...estige-with-inflated-applicant-pool-1.1336310 , it is actually illegal. However, the service academies are not the only school to do this, and one could argue they sort of deserve little bit of a pass.

    What counts as an incomplete application? If one completes the rest of the application but doesn't get nominated is his or her application considered incomplete? The nomination process makes calculating an accurate acceptance rate much more difficult.
     
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    USNA counts those who completed applications who did not receive a Nom as completed. 3Q is 3Q regardless of Nom. Remember two separate processes. Usnabgo08 has some good posts from the past on the numbers.
     
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    Remember USNA isn't hiding anything either. They publish how many open applications, completed applications, receive noms, appointments made, appointments accepted.
     
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    The article being quoted is from 2011, not anything recent. Anyone who is a regular on these forums knows all about Prof. Fleming and his ongoing efforts to keep himself in the media spotlight with controversial statements. That is not news to any of us here.

    It is difficult to compare 'selectivity' between SA's and civilian colleges because the application processes are so different and depends on exactly what you do/do not count in those figures.

    Apply to colleges which best suit your interest rather than their selectivity.
     

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