R-Day Question

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  1. Class2020USMA

    Class2020USMA New Member

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    Hi,

    Last weekend a friend slipped me a pot brownie. I had no idea that it was a pot brownie and I ate it. Is this going to mess me up on R-Day?!?!?!? What drug tests do they do?


    P. S. I'm not talking to that friend right now lol!!
     
  2. ClimberGirl

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    My parents are in the medical field, from conversations I've heard them have, I think pot only stays in your system for about 15-30 if you are a frequent user. I'm not sure on this, but I would think that by the time June came around you would pass a drug test. I would recommend not doing drugs though, that will definitely not help.
     
  3. Class2020USMA

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    Don't worry I'm not, just a friend doing a really messed up joke
     
  4. USNA 19 DAD

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    That is a felony to do that. You may want to consider making a police report even if you tell the officer you don't want to have him prosecuted. These things have a way of reappearing again. You may want to CYA so that it does not look like you are making excuses if it does. JMHO And while I am on the subject...... I am not your father, but I am "a" father. You should be extremely careful who you associate with from here on out. It only takes one time that even "appears" to be suspect, and you can loose that appointment. Perhaps your buddy gets pulled over and there is dope in the car? Not yours, but you were there and now your name is in the report. You get the gist. Being paranoid? Maybe. Want to take that chance?
     
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  5. LongAgoPlebe

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    Going to second the recommendation to file a report, not least because it is a felony in most states, like USNA 19 DAD wrote. I know this seems like a craptastic thing to do to a friend, but there's another reason I urge you to do this. Starting with the extensive "secret" clearance questionnaire you're going to have to fill out before R-day, and continuing throughout your Army/DoD/government/possibly NGO careers, every time you apply for a security clearance, you will have to disclose this. And if you think that "secret" questionnaire is extensive, just wait until you get to top-secret questionnaire and process. When (not if, when) you have to explain this, you want to be able to do so with reference to a police report ("Smithville Police Department #2016-1234567899") rather than "Wait...you got into USMA, knew that drug use was a future separable offense, and you got stoned anyway?" "Well, you see, it was a friend of mine, and I didn't know the brownie was spiked." <pause> "Yeeaahhh...riiiiight..." <marks checkbox for further intensive followup> You have to be really selfish here.

    But as for the short-term effects: THC is eliminated very rapidly from the body: a few days for non- or very-light users, and up to a month for frequent or heavy users. So the THC and other compounds will be long eliminated from your body by the end of June. Also: this is not your fault. You are not "in trouble," here. Your appointment isn't in jeopardy because you haven't signed the contract yet and you're not yet the property of Uncle Sam.
     
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  6. Cerberi

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    LongAgoPlebe is absolutely correct. When you take the polygraph for your TS/SCI clearance one day - you will be glad a report was filed.

    BTW - drug use happens at SAs as well. USAFA is just getting over a scandal around it. Then it becomes a UCMJ offense and is dealt with harshly

    Your 'friend' is a complete ******* and if nothing else deserves a visit from the law. If he would do that to you, think what he would do to someone that wasn't his friend.

    He should be dealt with harshly. He put everything you dreamed of at risk.
     
  7. rkv

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    Class2020USMA,

    First, I agree with those who are encouraging you to realize that at some point, whether you say something or not now, there is a high likelihood that this will ultimately come to light during security clearance polygraphs and the like. Thus having contemporaneous documentation of what transpired would certainly be helpful.

    While filing a report with the police would be one way of accomplishing this, I suspect it may not be something you would necessarily want to have to do. Alternatively, I would think that you could inform USMA admissions at this time. Please note, I am hesitant to recommend reporting it to the SA as the preferred course of action without having any first hand knowledge of how the SA's treat this information. My prior is to believe that the SA's interest in prior drug/alcohol experimentation is principally to confirm that you are willing to be honest and forthright about such circumstances. The value of such questioning in weeding out potential abusers would not seem be relevant to your situation.

    Although, I also tend to agree with Cerberi's post regarding your "friend": "He should be dealt with harshly. He put everything you dreamed of at risk."

    I'm hoping that someone who is more familiar with USMA or SA admissions may be on the forums and would provide you with additional guidance on this matter.
     
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  8. civic29

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    Yea I would say file a report and don't press charges. He should not be your friend after this move.

    Also polygraphs are pseudoscience only used to encourage the truth in those interviews. That being said you should still never lie or it could ruin your career and integrity.
     
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  9. Fishpart

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    Knowing what you had to go through to get to this point I will tell you that this person is NOT your friend. I agree with others and had this been my child I would offer drive them to the police station to file the report.
     
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  10. USNA 19 DAD

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    If I can add one more thing. This should be/ is a significant incident in your/ anyone's life. If this goes unreported it may appear that either you did not mind what happened to you, or that you would choose to make a felony go away because it was a friend. Neither looks particularly appealing when someone is looking at your file and deciding if you are trustworthy. Let me make it clear that I don't think either is the case here, but you need to look at this from the point of view of an organization that is about to put $100'sK+ into a candidate or potential top secret job applicant. I am sure you did not intend to open this can of worms when you asked your question, but it is important you know this. Make the police report even if it is for pure documentation. If it never comes up again? Great. But it's there if someone comes looking, and you will be glad it is.
     
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  11. 5Day

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    How do you know it was a pot brownie. You know you ate a brownie, but was it your friend that told you it was pot, did you feel the effects?
    There was a post a few month back where the friends said they slipped the candidate drugs, only to find out that they were only kidding. Not that either of these are funny.

    You may want to consider reporting the event through your school, either guidance or school police officer (if your school has one) and let them advise you how to proceed. You will then be able to honestly state that you reported the incident.
     
  12. spitwaad27

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    Wow, what a terrible thing for a "friend" to do. Did they know you had received an appointment or that you are going to West Point? If so that's even worse knowing what they were potentially doing to your dreams. I know the street code is not to snitch on your boys, but I would file the police report and press charges. Think about the honor code that you, as a cadet, are going to have to live by - that you won't lie, cheat, steal or tolerate those who do. By not pressing charges aren't you essentially covering up (tolerating) for your friend and the fact that he lied to you?
     

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