Set backs

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  1. Worried Mom

    Worried Mom New Member

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    Could anyone please give me some information on how the set back process works at the USMMA? My DS just learned that he failed two classes. This is his first semester and has no disciplinary issues. Is his career at the academy over with? He does still maintain over a 2.0 GPA. Thank you.
     
  2. KPEngineer

    KPEngineer Eternal Father ...

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    Rule #1 - Stay focused on your studies until you know for sure what is happening. I have heard of mids getting depressed, thinking they are getting disenrolled so they stop going to classes and stop working, whats the point right? Oops, I'm not getting disenrolled but now they are too far behind in the next trimester and they end up failing more classes and getting kicked out.

    He'll get a note from the Dean's Office that will shed some light on his situation. Until then ... KEEP WORKING!

    Two Failures used to not be a killer if you had over a 2.0 GPA. It wasn't even setback worthy, you just needed to overload and make up the classes but from reading here it has sounded like any failing grades and your are pretty much out, not even setback.

    Good Luck to him, whatever his future holds.
     
  3. mfp

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    Note to Worried Mom and her son...get to work, never give in and never give up! Realize what is at stake and make this your priority , you'll get one shot to fix the failures...do it and never look back. There is a reason why the academy took a shot on you, prove them right. Ask for help. Focus and get the job done...remember this, the stress and pressure you feel is a privilege , you earned that appointment now make it right! Go gettem!


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  4. bearhunter66

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    My DS who is a plebe and home on liberty has suggested that outcome may depend on the classes. IME and INS are STCW classes (Standards of Training, Certification and Watchkeeping) and carry more weight than a "normal" calc or physics class.

    His suggestion: Go see his academic advisor. Be proactive.
     
  5. beyond

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    I can't speak for how it works with the new curriculum, but usually 2 failed classes in the same tri will result in a set back. The fact that they are STCW (or not) doesn't matter that much because you still have to get them made up. Everyone in my class who failed more than 1 class first tri plebe year was offered a set back, 4 of the 5 are on track to graduate with 2016, and the fifth elected not to return.

    Again this is all anecdotal evidence but the folks in Wiley hall seem to swing on a pendulum about how to handle people who fall behind academically. Starting in 2011/2012 the trend seemed to be headed towards the administrators favoring dis-enrollment. There were more midshipmen then racks because of barracks renovation and there were two new sheriffs in town who needed to set a standard. When 2013 B returned from from second sailing the dis-enrollment thing seemed to hit critical mass, lots of people seemed to fail two projects and get dis enrolled. Some surmised that MARAD was unhappy with the number of people who got the boot three years in, and as a result have pressured the academy to try and use the setback/deferred grad program, which seems to be the result for most.

    LT Acquaro in the ACE will be a great resource in helping navigate this process, he has helped many midshipmen, usually with a positive result.

    Again. All anecdotal. Without knowing the specifics I would likely say set back. Get your son home, get started in the spring semester at community college, and kick tail. This adversity isn't impossible to overcome. Keep running scared like the grim reaper is a step behind you.
     
  6. Worried Mom

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    Thank you so much for all the advice, and words of encouragement. The panel meets today to decide his future and he will know the answer tomorrow. We are a family of faith and believe with our whole hearts that God is control and will lead our DS down the path he has chosen.
     
  7. shellz

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    Worried Mom...I'm not a KP Mom, I'm a CGA mom, but I feel your pain. My DS was there a few short years ago, and was given a second chance. When he called to tell us, it was like winning the lottery...total elation. I pray you get the same call.
     
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    Shellz......we are hoping and praying for the same lottery win! Thank you!
     
  9. mfp

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    Worried mom, I am a MMA dad...my faith leads me also...thinking of ya


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  10. Privateer

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    Keep the faith, worried mom.

    Also strictly anecdotal, but from what I could gather from my 3/c son, last year it went roughly 1 F-summer school, 2F's setback, 3 F's-disenrollment. Presumably what courses the F's were in were in makes a difference, but don't know if failing calc/physics vs other courses is material.

    One reason for optimism is the "yield" for the just-graduated class of 2014 was very large, over 300 plebes, while the '17 and '18 classes are <250 each. One conjecture is that the Academy felt a need to "thin the herd" which they took care of with the second sea year project.
     
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    FYI, the smaller class sizes were due to space limitation in barracks as a result of construction. The standard percentage, of students who don't make it from day zero to graduation is about 30%. As parent of M/N, I have been told there is no real formula. Much depends on: classes failed, grades in other classes, standing in the regiment, etc. Do hang in, and keep working though!
     
  12. TotheTop

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    yea I wouldn't be too worried, Cadet's are rarely kicked out over grades unless they are just hopeless. It's a waste of money to train them up then boot them for grades. Let us know what the board decides!
     
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    I'm not sure of your background as you've posted very quickly over a few different boards, but this is definitely not the case. Many midshipmen over the last 17 years (my time with the academy) have been disenrolled for grades. Even more so over the last 5-10.

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  14. beyond

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    I bet there are north of 60 folks from the class of 2014 who would beg to differ.
     
  15. beyond

    beyond KπΣ15'

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    Just as a point of information everyone in the OPs shoes was given a set back, except for one who had conduct issues on top of the academics.
     

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