The Process of Branching Special Warfare

RyanD27

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Hello All,
My name is Ryan and I am a Sophomore in High School and like I have previously stated on this forum, I have been wanting to attend a Service Academy since 3rd grade, and of course I was always very attracted to the SEAL community and I hope to be one someday in the future. The question that I present to you all today is what is the process, numbers of applicants at the start, and final percentage or number of Midshipman that get to Branch Special Warfare. On previous websites I have read that around 40 or so Midshipman get to Branch Special Warfare and only a certain number get to go to BUD/S immediately after graduation. Can someone tell me if this is true or not? I understand that this is a huge goal for me and it is also very far away. I understand that I should also mainly be focusing on getting into USNA first before I worry about what I could possibly branch. I am just very curious on this subject. Thank you all in advance.
 
Just curious, i have always heard that Seals who are officers arent the ones kicking in doors and doing the bad ass stuff you see in the movies and TV. Is that true?
 
Hello All,
My name is Ryan and I am a Sophomore in High School and like I have previously stated on this forum, I have been wanting to attend a Service Academy since 3rd grade, and of course I was always very attracted to the SEAL community and I hope to be one someday in the future. The question that I present to you all today is what is the process, numbers of applicants at the start, and final percentage or number of Midshipman that get to Branch Special Warfare. On previous websites I have read that around 40 or so Midshipman get to Branch Special Warfare and only a certain number get to go to BUD/S immediately after graduation. Can someone tell me if this is true or not? I understand that this is a huge goal for me and it is also very far away. I understand that I should also mainly be focusing on getting into USNA first before I worry about what I could possibly branch. I am just very curious on this subject. Thank you all in advance.
Depends also what you mean by "immediately after graduation." Each BUD/S class (or each Flight School, TBS, Nuke School, BDOC class, etc.) only has a certain number of slots, so after graduation many people remain in temporary assignments at USNA as their respective school dates approach. So, for example, even if you graduate USNA in late May, you might not go to your next assignment (e.g. BUD/S) until August or September.
 
Just curious, i have always heard that Seals who are officers arent the ones kicking in doors and doing the bad *** stuff you see in the movies and TV. Is that true?
Essentially true, especially after your first couple years according to anecdotal evidence on this forum.
 
Just curious, i have always heard that Seals who are officers arent the ones kicking in doors and doing the bad *** stuff you see in the movies and TV. Is that true?
Also essentially true, SEAL officers go through the pipeline and attend Junior Officer Training Course (JOTC) rather than schools that enlisted go through like sniper and breacher school if that is what you consider the "cool" stuff in movies.
 
The process:
Get offered an appointment to USNA. Learn about all the warfare communities at USNA (Navy typically doesn’t use the term “branch” as a noun or verb for officer warfare communities) through briefings, talking to staff officers and senior enlisted, watching upperclass go through the process, participating in summer training blocks designed to increase your knowledge and aid you in your decision. The group who wants to go SEAL/EOD self-screens early on. There are rigorous physical screeners. Don’t overlook Marine Corps officer specialties

Numbers of applicants:
Always well more than those selected.

You were given the answers to actual selectees out of a class. That is typical of the range.

As noted above, not everyone can head right off to pipeline training. That gluts the system. They go in waves throughout the summer and fall, and are assigned temporary duties in the interim.

In general, all the SEAL officers I have known have been wicked smart, not just book-smart, but MacGyver-smart creative problem-solvers who thrive in operational chaos, both as leaders and team members. And they are all-around physically fit, not hugely bulked up, but with stamina and grit in abundance, and strong swimmers.

You can have some fun now by planning to blow away the CFA in a few years by searching for Stew Smith’s links and YouTube videos. He is a USNA grad, former SEAL officer and USNA staff officer, now a fitness professional.

And here is a copy of my standard advice for those just starting to think about the SA application process:


You are at the right time to begin serious research.



The service academy application process itself tests for qualities and attributes desirable in future junior officers: attention to detail, executive planning and organizing, time management, task prioritization, humility, perseverance, patience. Take ownership of the process.



If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on your sa.edu of choice sites, taking notes and starting to build out an extended timeline of action items and long-term due dates, now is a great time. That is your primary source, and most answers are there.



Do the same kind of research into alternative paths to commissioning, such as ROTC and related scholarships. That is a prudent thing to do, and shows no lack of commitment to an SA. Additionally, a college ROTC unit is another nomination source, if you find yourself re-applying after a SA turndown. There will be thousands of candidates building HS resumes with similar stats, plus college re-applicants; leave no opportunity unexplored.



Take this time to research all five of the Federal service academies, and subsequent career paths, so you can make an informed decision about ruling them in or out. It’s very important to look past the interim waystation of 4 SA or college ROTC years to see if there are at least a good handful of career paths you could see yourself doing for a minimum of 5-6 years or whatever the applicable minimum active duty service obligation is.



Go to your elected officials’ websites (2 Sen, 1 Rep), read and take notes on their service academy nomination process. They can choose submission deadlines, interviews or not, panel interviews, any method they want. If they are having a F2F or virtual info session, sign up and soak it in, so you are well-prepared for your cycle, even a few years out. Stay current with that site, in case the elected official changes.



Go to the DoDMERB site, the entity which does the physical qualification of candidates. Explore each menu item on the left. This often turns into one of the most frustrating and time-using aspects of the process. Get smart on it now so you won’t be surprised. There are some medications that must be discontinued for a certain period of time. IEPs and accommodations also are off the table at a certain point.



Research the CFA or applicable fitness test for the SA or program of interest. Assess yourself and develop a training plan. Women, learn to do pull-ups. It’s worth more points, and you will value that strength and confidence. Do not procrastinate when it’s your cycle. Leaving it too late invites illness, injury, bad weather, family emergency or sudden non-availability of your test administrator or video person, if that is required.



Here on SAF, read the Stickies at the top of the Nominations and DoDMERB forums. There is also The Acronym List on the Home page if you haven’t found it yet.



There is a Search function tool inside SAF, and google works well when you include “site:serviceacademyforums.com” in the string. The same questions come up every year.



Create your organization system - binders, folders, spreadsheets, calendars, wall boards, whatever works for you to plan, track and execute. Many apply to multiple SAs, nom sources, ROTC scholarships, ROTC schools, etc.



Finally, stay flexible and open to the paths that open before you. The key is to show sustained performance, personal growth and achievement in a well-rounded person.
 
good advice above by CaptMJ,

you are about 100 steps away from it right now, but if you want to know how people get selected for NSW, this is a summary:

the final step of service assignment produces about 30-35 mids each year who will go straight to BUD/S for their first orders.

however, there are many steps along the way to get to that point, and the pool of mids who start the path numbers in the hundreds each year.

working backwards:

-the 35 selectees are chosen from the ~60 USNA mids that go to Coronado for first class SEAL cruise. otherwise known as SOAS (SEAL Officer Assessment and Selection).

-in order to get selected for SOAS, you must do exceptionally well on the SEAL screener. this is done in the fall and the spring of 2nd class year, you only need to do it once. the screener is a very demanding 24-30 hour physical and mental test, similar to what happens during actual SEAL training. the screener takes place on the Yard and is administered by SEALS. as many as 180-200 (+/-) mids will signup for the screener but only about 80-90 will successfully complete it (sometimes less). many are dropped for performance, and many quit.

-before you can attempt the SEAL screener, you must pass the PST (Physical Screening Test). the PST includes 500 yd swim, pushups, situps, pullups, and 1.5 mile run. the minimum qualifying times are challenging but to be competitive requires much better scores.

-to get to that starting point, most mids who are serious about SEALS will have been preparing for a long time, and seriously training specifically for the screener for the better part of a year if not longer.

-every Plebe summer, USNA takes a survey of the incoming class to ask about desired service assignment. i saw the numbers a few summers ago, and something like 350 Plebes had SEALS first choice. that is the fat part of the pipeline, and over the next 3 years about 90% of them will end up doing something else. most by choice, but not all.
 
Also essentially true, SEAL officers go through the pipeline and attend Junior Officer Training Course (JOTC) rather than schools that enlisted go through like sniper and breacher school if that is what you consider the "cool" stuff in movies.
Not at all. I consider the the paperwork and sitting behind a desk the cool stuff.😈 Yes sniper and breacher school would be the cool stuff😇
 
I was on the Yard last fall on the same weekend as the 2/C SEAL screener. A lot of buzz about it happening. Definitely a much-anticipated event for those who were left from the initial few hundred who “picked” SEALS during plebe summer, as mentioned by @A6E Dad.

I went for a long walk around the Yard and got a far-off glimpse. DD was on a long run with teammates and passed — from a distance — the activity a couple times. Reports were that it was a grueling event, even for those who’d been training hard for it. A significant percentage “changed their mind” or had it changed for them that weekend, as I’ve been told.

Building on the great advice above: Make becoming a naval or Marine officer your primary goal for attending USNA. It’s OK to then have SEALS as your #1 choice for warfare community, but you should be open and willing to take on non-SEAL roles if that’s how things turn out. Things happen, many of them out of your control, so thinking “officer first” is vital. If you become a SEAL after that, all the better!
 
Building on the great advice above: Make becoming a naval or Marine officer your primary goal for attending USNA. It’s OK to then have SEALS as your #1 choice for warfare community, but you should be open and willing to take on non-SEAL roles if that’s how things turn out. Things happen, many of them out of your control, so thinking “officer first” is vital. If you become a SEAL after that, all the better!
Great advice, in my opinion.
 
You do not need to be a star athlete but you must be in fantastic physical condition. If you are even a little concerned about your ability to excel (as in doing way above the averages) of the CFA, you probably are NOT Seal material.
Go ahead and prove me wrong. . . . I DARE YOU.
 
The process:
Get offered an appointment to USNA. Learn about all the warfare communities at USNA (Navy typically doesn’t use the term “branch” as a noun or verb for officer warfare communities) through briefings, talking to staff officers and senior enlisted, watching upperclass go through the process, participating in summer training blocks designed to increase your knowledge and aid you in your decision. The group who wants to go SEAL/EOD self-screens early on. There are rigorous physical screeners. Don’t overlook Marine Corps officer specialties

Numbers of applicants:
Always well more than those selected.

You were given the answers to actual selectees out of a class. That is typical of the range.

As noted above, not everyone can head right off to pipeline training. That gluts the system. They go in waves throughout the summer and fall, and are assigned temporary duties in the interim.

In general, all the SEAL officers I have known have been wicked smart, not just book-smart, but MacGyver-smart creative problem-solvers who thrive in operational chaos, both as leaders and team members. And they are all-around physically fit, not hugely bulked up, but with stamina and grit in abundance, and strong swimmers.

You can have some fun now by planning to blow away the CFA in a few years by searching for Stew Smith’s links and YouTube videos. He is a USNA grad, former SEAL officer and USNA staff officer, now a fitness professional.

And here is a copy of my standard advice for those just starting to think about the SA application process:


You are at the right time to begin serious research.



The service academy application process itself tests for qualities and attributes desirable in future junior officers: attention to detail, executive planning and organizing, time management, task prioritization, humility, perseverance, patience. Take ownership of the process.



If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on your sa.edu of choice sites, taking notes and starting to build out an extended timeline of action items and long-term due dates, now is a great time. That is your primary source, and most answers are there.



Do the same kind of research into alternative paths to commissioning, such as ROTC and related scholarships. That is a prudent thing to do, and shows no lack of commitment to an SA. Additionally, a college ROTC unit is another nomination source, if you find yourself re-applying after a SA turndown. There will be thousands of candidates building HS resumes with similar stats, plus college re-applicants; leave no opportunity unexplored.



Take this time to research all five of the Federal service academies, and subsequent career paths, so you can make an informed decision about ruling them in or out. It’s very important to look past the interim waystation of 4 SA or college ROTC years to see if there are at least a good handful of career paths you could see yourself doing for a minimum of 5-6 years or whatever the applicable minimum active duty service obligation is.



Go to your elected officials’ websites (2 Sen, 1 Rep), read and take notes on their service academy nomination process. They can choose submission deadlines, interviews or not, panel interviews, any method they want. If they are having a F2F or virtual info session, sign up and soak it in, so you are well-prepared for your cycle, even a few years out. Stay current with that site, in case the elected official changes.



Go to the DoDMERB site, the entity which does the physical qualification of candidates. Explore each menu item on the left. This often turns into one of the most frustrating and time-using aspects of the process. Get smart on it now so you won’t be surprised. There are some medications that must be discontinued for a certain period of time. IEPs and accommodations also are off the table at a certain point.



Research the CFA or applicable fitness test for the SA or program of interest. Assess yourself and develop a training plan. Women, learn to do pull-ups. It’s worth more points, and you will value that strength and confidence. Do not procrastinate when it’s your cycle. Leaving it too late invites illness, injury, bad weather, family emergency or sudden non-availability of your test administrator or video person, if that is required.



Here on SAF, read the Stickies at the top of the Nominations and DoDMERB forums. There is also The Acronym List on the Home page if you haven’t found it yet.



There is a Search function tool inside SAF, and google works well when you include “site:serviceacademyforums.com” in the string. The same questions come up every year.



Create your organization system - binders, folders, spreadsheets, calendars, wall boards, whatever works for you to plan, track and execute. Many apply to multiple SAs, nom sources, ROTC scholarships, ROTC schools, etc.



Finally, stay flexible and open to the paths that open before you. The key is to show sustained performance, personal growth and achievement in a well-rounded person.
The process:
Get offered an appointment to USNA. Learn about all the warfare communities at USNA (Navy typically doesn’t use the term “branch” as a noun or verb for officer warfare communities) through briefings, talking to staff officers and senior enlisted, watching upperclass go through the process, participating in summer training blocks designed to increase your knowledge and aid you in your decision. The group who wants to go SEAL/EOD self-screens early on. There are rigorous physical screeners. Don’t overlook Marine Corps officer specialties

Numbers of applicants:
Always well more than those selected.

You were given the answers to actual selectees out of a class. That is typical of the range.

As noted above, not everyone can head right off to pipeline training. That gluts the system. They go in waves throughout the summer and fall, and are assigned temporary duties in the interim.

In general, all the SEAL officers I have known have been wicked smart, not just book-smart, but MacGyver-smart creative problem-solvers who thrive in operational chaos, both as leaders and team members. And they are all-around physically fit, not hugely bulked up, but with stamina and grit in abundance, and strong swimmers.

You can have some fun now by planning to blow away the CFA in a few years by searching for Stew Smith’s links and YouTube videos. He is a USNA grad, former SEAL officer and USNA staff officer, now a fitness professional.

And here is a copy of my standard advice for those just starting to think about the SA application process:


You are at the right time to begin serious research.



The service academy application process itself tests for qualities and attributes desirable in future junior officers: attention to detail, executive planning and organizing, time management, task prioritization, humility, perseverance, patience. Take ownership of the process.



If you haven’t read every page, link and menu item on your sa.edu of choice sites, taking notes and starting to build out an extended timeline of action items and long-term due dates, now is a great time. That is your primary source, and most answers are there.



Do the same kind of research into alternative paths to commissioning, such as ROTC and related scholarships. That is a prudent thing to do, and shows no lack of commitment to an SA. Additionally, a college ROTC unit is another nomination source, if you find yourself re-applying after a SA turndown. There will be thousands of candidates building HS resumes with similar stats, plus college re-applicants; leave no opportunity unexplored.



Take this time to research all five of the Federal service academies, and subsequent career paths, so you can make an informed decision about ruling them in or out. It’s very important to look past the interim waystation of 4 SA or college ROTC years to see if there are at least a good handful of career paths you could see yourself doing for a minimum of 5-6 years or whatever the applicable minimum active duty service obligation is.



Go to your elected officials’ websites (2 Sen, 1 Rep), read and take notes on their service academy nomination process. They can choose submission deadlines, interviews or not, panel interviews, any method they want. If they are having a F2F or virtual info session, sign up and soak it in, so you are well-prepared for your cycle, even a few years out. Stay current with that site, in case the elected official changes.



Go to the DoDMERB site, the entity which does the physical qualification of candidates. Explore each menu item on the left. This often turns into one of the most frustrating and time-using aspects of the process. Get smart on it now so you won’t be surprised. There are some medications that must be discontinued for a certain period of time. IEPs and accommodations also are off the table at a certain point.



Research the CFA or applicable fitness test for the SA or program of interest. Assess yourself and develop a training plan. Women, learn to do pull-ups. It’s worth more points, and you will value that strength and confidence. Do not procrastinate when it’s your cycle. Leaving it too late invites illness, injury, bad weather, family emergency or sudden non-availability of your test administrator or video person, if that is required.



Here on SAF, read the Stickies at the top of the Nominations and DoDMERB forums. There is also The Acronym List on the Home page if you haven’t found it yet.



There is a Search function tool inside SAF, and google works well when you include “site:serviceacademyforums.com” in the string. The same questions come up every year.



Create your organization system - binders, folders, spreadsheets, calendars, wall boards, whatever works for you to plan, track and execute. Many apply to multiple SAs, nom sources, ROTC scholarships, ROTC schools, etc.



Finally, stay flexible and open to the paths that open before you. The key is to show sustained performance, personal growth and achievement in a well-rounded person.
Thank you so much Capt MJ for the response. That was a ton of information that I had no idea about and I really appreciate you helping me put my best foot forward in the application process, and get a head start. I will use this information in the rest of my journey.
 
You do not need to be a star athlete but you must be in fantastic physical condition. If you are even a little concerned about your ability to excel (as in doing way above the averages) of the CFA, you probably are NOT Seal material.
Go ahead and prove me wrong. . . . I DARE YOU.
Yes sir, I will do my best to prove you wrong someday when I hopefully get into USNA.
 
good advice above by CaptMJ,

you are about 100 steps away from it right now, but if you want to know how people get selected for NSW, this is a summary:

the final step of service assignment produces about 30-35 mids each year who will go straight to BUD/S for their first orders.

however, there are many steps along the way to get to that point, and the pool of mids who start the path numbers in the hundreds each year.

working backwards:

-the 35 selectees are chosen from the ~60 USNA mids that go to Coronado for first class SEAL cruise. otherwise known as SOAS (SEAL Officer Assessment and Selection).

-in order to get selected for SOAS, you must do exceptionally well on the SEAL screener. this is done in the fall and the spring of 2nd class year, you only need to do it once. the screener is a very demanding 24-30 hour physical and mental test, similar to what happens during actual SEAL training. the screener takes place on the Yard and is administered by SEALS. as many as 180-200 (+/-) mids will signup for the screener but only about 80-90 will successfully complete it (sometimes less). many are dropped for performance, and many quit.

-before you can attempt the SEAL screener, you must pass the PST (Physical Screening Test). the PST includes 500 yd swim, pushups, situps, pullups, and 1.5 mile run. the minimum qualifying times are challenging but to be competitive requires much better scores.

-to get to that starting point, most mids who are serious about SEALS will have been preparing for a long time, and seriously training specifically for the screener for the better part of a year if not longer.

-every Plebe summer, USNA takes a survey of the incoming class to ask about desired service assignment. i saw the numbers a few summers ago, and something like 350 Plebes had SEALS first choice. that is the fat part of the pipeline, and over the next 3 years about 90% of them will end up doing something else. most by choice, but not all.
Thank you sir for the information, I have a questions about the process. What do you think is the best possible thing I can physically be doing to not only get me prepared for the CFA but also this possible SEAL Screener in the future?
 
as a sophomore in hs, your focus should be on the things you can control that will earn you an appointment. Academics, Leadership, and Sports

do everything you can to challenge yourself in each of those areas, and find a way to consistently excel.

in terms of physical training outside of organized sports, can't do better that CaptMJ's recommendation - search Stew Smith

best of luck!
 
Thank you sir for the information, I have a questions about the process. What do you think is the best possible thing I can physically be doing to not only get me prepared for the CFA but also this possible SEAL Screener in the future?
Follow Stew Smith on instagram, he posts his special warfare candidates working out every morning. Watch all of his youtube videos on the combat sidestroke and podcast. Read his several books about physically preparing for special warfare. When you get to USNA, try out for the special operations team which is run by Stew Smith himself.
 
I have been wanting to attend a Service Academy since 3rd grade

So you were likely 8 or 9 years old in 3rd grade.

How is it a 3rd grader at 8 or 9 years of age knows that they want to attend a service academy?
 
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