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USNA69 said:"Yeah, and this is why modern wars have solved nothing."
Just Warfare has been around much longer than Vietnam. Machiavelli layed the groundwork in The Prince and it has been refined ever since.
Yet above you suggested that Dresden, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki would have been war crimes had we lost. So which is it? Are you suggesting that a "just" war is defined only by the winners? If so, then my argument that we should WIN first has just been strengthened. Thanks!
This is an ethics issue that our operational commanders deal with when planning individual operations.
That's bull and you know it. As soon as some do-gooder politician trying to make a name for himself gets a hold of the story, all hell breaks loose and the individuals on the ground are left in the lurch. Look at that Marine Captain who got a prisoner to talk on the battlefield by holding a gun to the head of the prisoner. The prisoner was in posession of information that would save or cost the lives of this officer's troops RIGHT THEN, and he needed the info RIGHT THEN. He got it, and his men survived. How was this man, who was simply protecting his men, get rewarded? Assholes like Murtha and the rest tried to have him court-martialed for it! "Decided by operational commanders" my ass!
Zap . how can we CRUSH an enemy we can't even locate? In modern anti-terrorist warfare, we have to identify the enemy before we can contain, isolate, and defeat him. Our enemy is somewhere on the Afghani-Pakastani border and we are diverting our resources in a civil war, creating more terrorists.
Utter crap and you know it. The enemy is in IRAQ now, unless you believe that all the yahoos running around that country claiming to be Al Qaeda are all lying.
We do not create terrorists by fighting them. Using your logic, we created the kamikazes by fighting our way across the Pacific, so we should have stopped at Midway. Fighting any further only emboldened the enemy, created more of them, and cost us lives we needn't have thrown away. Let's indict MacArthur, Nimitz, and Roosevelt posthumously and charge them with war crimes. After all, that's what they want to do to Bush.
Whether you and those on your side want to admit it or not (funny thing, because the enemy seems to get it if their intercepted communications are any indication) IRAQ is now the main battlefield in the war on terrorism. Either our movement (liberty) or theirs (sharia law) will emerge victorious, and every terrorist in the world is either there or trying to get us to lose THERE, because THAT'S where it's going to be decided. If we cut and run, it will be a million times worse than Somalia, and Somalia gave us 9/11 (by Bin Laden's own admission).
And wat is your point about finding them? What do you mean we "can't" find them? We're finding them and killing them all over the world, or do you think our troops are simply being killed off one by one without them giving any in return? Since we "can't know" where they are, are we supposed to just come back to America and wait for them to hit us AGAIN? Even if they ARE in Pakistan, we have been forbidden to send troops into that country to get them. Are you saying that if BinLaden is there, we should send troops into an allied country against their will (I wonder how THAT would play on the much-vaunted "Arab Street"?)? Where is all your concern for international law, then? Is it only a concern when it's being used against US?
One other thing, the reason we "can't find" them is because every time we try, a certain political persuasion in this country has a collective fit. We can't profile in airports. We can't listen to communications by terrorists into or out of this country. We can't monitor financial transactions. We can't interrogate them with anything more impressive than a polite smile. For all you people who love to get up on the soapbox and demand explanations as to why we can't find the terrorists, LOOK IN THE *******ED MIRROR!
And we've found PLENTY, thank you very much, and we've either sent them off to rub their souls up against Satan's backside or we've thrown them into prison, where we treat them better than their mothers ever did yet STILL get accused of "torturing" them.
Yeah, we expect to win fighting this way. Sure.
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