Uhh..... Help pl0x

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by matt123456, Nov 20, 2011.

  1. matt123456

    matt123456 Member

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    Ok so lets say someone could find the right time to gather the necessary documents and paper to submit for a congressional nomination. However, this person did submit documents for the 2 senators of the state. Is this person's chances greatly hurt or what?

    And what if the person had a JROTC nomination and a presidential? Would the app still be looked down on the application for not applying to congressional?
     
  2. nuensis

    nuensis USNA 2016

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    You missed a good chance. Nominations from House Representatives are often easer to obtain than nominations from Senators (unless you're from one of those small states with more senators than congressmen). As far as applications go, the senators' offices might wonder about it. Be sure to give them a good answer if asked.

    JROTC and Presidential nominations are nominations. No more, no less. They'll put you in the category of candidates who are eligible for appointment. Quotas come into play for those though. It's 100 for Presidential nominations, and I believe it's 20 for JROTC.

    From what I've heard, the JROTC nomination is definitely not something to depend on. For example, for USNA, NJROTC and MCJROTC units can nominate three people each, honor NJROTC and MCJROTC units can nominate six people each, and honor AJROTC and AFJROTC units can nominate three people each.

    That's at least a thousand candidates, maybe more, with JROTC nominations. Huge pool to compete with.
     
  3. Pima

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    That is the thing to understand about how Presidential, VP and ROTC noms work compared to the MOCs.

    The Presidential and VP can nominate 10K if the candidate is eligible. However, only 100 can be charged for the President. 5 at any given time, like the MOC for the VP.

    The MOC can only nominate 10 per slate, for that 1 charge. So, statistically, your odds may be better on the MOC slate compared to the 2 you have in hand.

    It is not going to hurt you because you did not apply to your Cong. from the perspective that the SA board or the other MOC's will mark you down points.


    It will hurt you because it would have allowed you, if you received all 3 to be on 6 slates. (Pres. VP, ROTC and 3 MOC) Giving the SA less flexibility to slide you in without going to NWL with only the 5. Still 5 is a lot of slates.

    That is why people say apply for each and every nom that you are eligible, because the more you have in your hand the more flexibility for them to appoint you.

    Look at it this way, if Candidate Jones has 3(all MOC), he can only go up against those 3 slates, now he maybe number 2 on all of those slates, which means if his WCS is high enough he will go to the NWL. However, had he had a Presidential, he may have earned his appointment via that slate. That one more nom., gave him one more bite at the apple.

    Good luck.
     
  4. mom3boys

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    Success at a SA is all about time management. If asked why he/she did not submit for a congressional nom, I hope this person will not use this lame excuse. :eek:
     
  5. Pima

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    I have to agree, I hope if they have to interview, and if this question comes up, they will have a different answer than I already had 2 (JROTC/Pres) plus I was trying for the Sens, so I didn't worry about going that extra distance and applying for the Congressional.

    Not implying that is what they did, just saying how it maybe perceived by the MOC.

    I have to agree with nuensis, unless you are from DE (where they have only 1 Cong), the Sen. pool is typically larger than the Congressional pool. Mainly due to the fact that if they have a dozen congressional districts, and each one submits 10 for their slate, that means 120 candidates will have a nom, but unless the MOCs talk*, these 120 candidates will also vie for the Sen. slate. Which now is a total of 20 if they both have 1 apptmt available. So will the ones that did not receive the Congressional nom. It is not uncommon for a Senator from a large state to have several hundred applying for those 10.

    *Some MOC's state that they "spread the wealth" for noms. In essence, it means the state is so competitive, that if you have a nom from another MOC, they will not consider you for a nom so more candidates can have a chance to get a nom. NY, TX and CT quickly come to mind.

    There is nothing you can do now. Just work on your packet to make sure you're not weak in any of the areas for the WCS. Every little point matters.

    Good luck.
     

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