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  1. asicsrunner77

    asicsrunner77 New Member

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    What kind of students receive offers for USMAPS? I know that in some cases athletes will be sent there or students with low grades will be sent there before going to WP. But do kids who are nominated and qualified but not appointed receive offers from USMAPS(i.e. students with really good grades and test scores but just happened not to receive an appointment to WP)?
     
  2. TheKnight

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    If you're in that position and you think you might not end up making it in, you should call your Admissions Officer and let them know that you would be willing to take a Prep School spot if an appointment isn't going to happen.
     
  3. mom3boys

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    USMAPS is for students with an identified area of weakness...but sponsored prep would be where you might fit. This is called AOG prep.
     
  4. America's Finest

    America's Finest USMA Cadet

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    If you are academically qualified for USMA you will be overqualified for USMAPS and not get sent there.
     
  5. Maximus

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    Not what they (USMAPS Commandant) told us at the Parents meeting on USMAPS "R" Day, and if the scores they showed us for the last USMAPS Class, compared to direct admit USMA were right, many of the kids at USMAPS were fully academically qualified for USMA. Especially the Prepsters that had MOC Nominations.
     
  6. BAJohnson

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    It is usually one specific score. Like you have an athlete you want and they have a decent enough GPA but they got a 500 in math on the SAT. That is what I heard. It isn't for kids who have lower scores across the board.
     
  7. America's Finest

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    It's what I was told by USMA admissions. I also know people who were told USMAPS was out of the question (he asked them about it being a possibility after he found out he did not receive an appointment) because their SAT score was too high. USMAPS is supposed to prepare you for USMA but I have yet to hear of anyone being send to USMAPS because their physical or leadership levels were lacking. Of course, like BAJohnson said, a lot of them could have been sent there due to one specific section of the SAT and not necessarily all.
     
  8. Just_A_Mom

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    America's Finest and BAJohnson are correct. You can't look at total SAT scores and see if a candidate qualifies.
    An SAT of 1200 might be a 650 CR an 550 M and that might not qualify the candidates especially if their math curriculum was weak.
    USMAPS is not for kids with low grades.
    USMAPS is generally for kids who have a specific "weak" area that would benefit them from an extra year.

    Candidates who are ACADEMICALLY qualified generally get offered an AOG scholarship. Sometimes they have a weak area and barely qualify and are on the cusp, sometimes they are "weak" in leadership or athletics.
     
  9. Maximus

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    Well I can tell you that one person I know was accepted to USMAPS with an SAT score of 1320 and was fully qualified in every way for USMA. It does happen and he was not the only one in that situation. However, that is not the norm and for the most part, they are athletes, folks who need a touch of help in some area or are prior service.
     
  11. Maximus

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    Well lets see...here are the direct Admit Scores for the USMA class of 2012, and I too know a CC that was well above the lower scores, right in that bell curve, how can that be? :confused:

    ACT Scores*
    Range English Math Sci Reas Read
    31-36 ..........31% ........ 28% ........ 22% .......45%
    26-30 ..........42% ........ 54% ........ 42% .......37%
    21-25 ..........26% ........ 18% ........ 35% .......17%
    16-20 ............1% .......... 0% .......... 1% .........1%
    11-15 .............0% .......... 0% .......... 0% .........0%
    Mean .............. 28 ........... 29 ............27 ..........30
    SAT Scores*
    Range Verbal Math
    700-800 .......................19% ................... 20%
    600-699 .......................44% ................... 57%
    500-599 .......................33% ................... 22%
    400-499 .........................4% ..................... 1%
    300-399 .........................0% ..................... 0%
    Mean .............................623 .................... 642
    * Includes only scores used as a basis
    for admission.
     
  12. crs_mom

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    I can only tell you my son's experience. He will be in the USMAPS class of 2011. He is a recruited athlete but his ACT score was lower than what they wanted for direct admit.
     
  13. Just_A_Mom

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    Maximus - those SAT's are for the entire class of 2012. Including those who went to USMAPS and sponored prep scholarships.

    Qualifying status is determined by admissions. A candidate can only tell they are qualified if they receive a letter from admissions telling them they are qualified for admission and may compete for an appointment. Very, very few of those candidates, eventually receive an offer for USMAPS.
    I would not want to give false hope to a candidate who is fully qualified and waiting to be selected for an appointment.
     
  14. Maximus

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    * Includes only scores used as a basis
    for admission.



    DS received a qualified letter from USNA (waiting for a medical waiver- and that wouldn't even be an option if not academically qualified) and the triple Q @ USMA when he was Nominated, they wouldn't even consider a non-qualified applicant, real popular Service Academy district. He then received the thin letter from USNA last April after the USNA waiver was denied.
    His Appointment for USMAPS arrived early last March and we knew it was coming. Our Congressman's Military Liaison asked DS (at his Nomination interview) if he would be willing to do a year at Prep, as he thought it would do a world of good for DS at only 17. Then his West Point MALO called and said our Congressman put him up as his number one choice but....wanted him in Prep so, he was going to Prep and not a Direct Admit.

    Jam, I'm sure you remember this discussion last year, when you gave "me" the ("his to lose...and a great honor") standard answer here, and it was a very tough decision for DS.
    First, he had 2 other confirmed ROTC offers on the table, and was very very interested but...West Point was the "A" plan! He had heard there was a stigma going to "Prep", and it was a consideration in his decision. Part of his school research included two overnight trips to West Point and he asked the question there too. Fast forward to here and your last few comments, his (and mine) suspicions were correct, there is a stigma not being a direct admit to some people.

    Everyone here (reading this) at this level, has read everything available, and we all know the current school of thought: 1,800 (600 ea test) SAT scores usually places as the baseline. Just as we all also know it's impossible to quantify GPA's and class placement so, the SAT's are the real indicator. Athletic needs also change paramiters... On the other hand, we also know the success rate of Prepsters, and how they have a "Leg Up" the first year; they have been living the "Life" for 10 months now, and might have a slightly easier time at R-Day....well, unless someone "gives them a little extra attention" :yllol: They have also been to a 4 week Beast so, that fear will be minimal.

    Moral of the story for a kid looking to go to Prep: "Go for it! Don't worry about what other people say, and remember, a 2nd LT out of West Point, is a 2nd. LT out of West Point!

    In the end, DS's happy with his choice and that's all that matters to me. :thumb:
     
  15. Just_A_Mom

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    Maximus - I do remember that conversation! I am really thrilled that USMAPS has worked out well for him.

    I certainly hope you don't think that I think there is a stigma to going to USMAPS! Au Contraire. I think a lot of kids turn down the opportunity to go because they think there is a stigma.
    I just don't want to give false hope that the last kid who gets rejected to USMA will go to USMAPS. Your son didn't receive an appointment for a reason - and being offered to USMAPS is not solely about SAT's. I have no idea what that reason was but West Point clearly wanted him - they just weren't able to offer him an appointment last spring.
    Having an offer to USMAPS or prep is a gift. West Point is hard. very hard. A year at USMAPS will give your son an edge.

    Your son will have fun on R-Day. Seriously. He will have fun during Beast - seriously. He will have plenty of opportunity to use his leadership skills and be well respected by the cadre and his fellow classmates. He will be confident and in control. As a parent, you will be confident and able to console those who are freaking out! :wink:
    Good luck to him and you! :smile:
     

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