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  1. Acadhopeful

    Acadhopeful New Member

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    I emailed admissions to inquire about my status and they said I am on the wait list. What does that mean? And what are the chances from here?


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  2. hopeful2018

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    What region are you in?
     
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    Your chances depend on where you are on the waiting list :rolleyes: If you are 3Q but not a district winner (best WCS on your slate or else principle nom), you are somewhere on that list. Until a TWE arrives, you have a shot. Waiting around is a lost art.
     
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    I am in GA 14. I am not sure if anyone has revived a BFE in my district but I would assume so.


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  5. Acadhopeful

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    I am 3Q'd too.


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  6. casnmas

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    We emailed the RC with similar question but asked specifically where DS stood on each slate. Reply received today:
    "Unfortunately, all three slates (one Rep. and two Senator) are
    closed. (Name deleted) is currently number two in his district and would receive an offer if the accepted candidate ahead of him somehow becomes disqualified.
    As for (name deleted)candidates standing on the Senator slates, he is in the middle of the
    pack. (Name deleted) is currently on the National Waiting List but his Whole
    Candidate Score is not where we have historically dropped down to pick up."

    Useful information, we made request 10 days ago and again last night... reply came this morning... not the news we wanted to hear but glad to learn it now instead of later... best of luck...
     
  7. Acadhopeful

    Acadhopeful New Member

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    What do you mean the WCS is not down to where you pick up?


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    Means the candidate's score was lower than they would usually give an appointment to, I suspect.


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  9. casnmas

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    All 3Q and nominated candidates who do not receive appointments go on the National waiting list. My guess is 1100 or so candidates... From what I understand they are ranked according to WCS. I believe by law USMA must accept 150 of those on the NWL into the class. I assume highest ranked 150 get offers... so if you are ranked 199th... this is not a level they typically reach down to offer an appointment to. Hope this helps.
     
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    Does the NWL not take into consideration the Congressional/Senatorial District? So the remaining 3Q and nominated candidates go into a big pool, (NWL) and the top 150 are given appointments? Am I understanding that correctly?
     
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    Initially, all 3Q + nom go on the NWL
    Individuals who win an appointment from their MOC come off the NWL
    Currently some individuals are not fully qualified, but would win that vacancy if they are - no appointment is awarded for that MOC until their status is resolved; however, some of those other candidates in that district who are fully qualified might be strong enough nationally to be appointed one of the top 150 spots.
    Only candidates with a nomination from a MOC are eligible for the "top 150" which are officially called Qualified Alternates under congressional law.
    Any fully qualified candidate regardless of nomination source is eligible for what is called an Additional Appointee which are the remaining vacancies to bring the initial class size up to the desired end strength -- usually around 1250. These candidates must be awarded appointments not to exceed 1 Service Connected nomination to 3 MOC. These spots often go to meet class composition goals to include those coming out of USMAPS. Don't expect to earn one of these appointments if your RC tells you that you are out of the running for you MOC and a NWL/Qualified Alternate/top 150 spots.

    This is a roundabout way of saying yes, your nomination type matters, but not for the majority of candidates hoping to get in that do not win their MOC nomination slates. Also, don't think linearly. Just like the application process isn't linear (working multiple efforts simultaneously to train for the CFA, study for tests, apply for nominations, get medical done, etc), so is filling the class appointments from multiple nomination sources/types as fast as admissions legally is able.
     
  13. Roseville

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    845something and others,

    This is from USMA's website:

    "What to Do:

    Apply for every nomination for which you are eligible. At minimum, send a request to the two U.S. senators from your state, your congressional representative in the House of Representatives and the Vice President. If you are NOT nominated through any of these competitive processes, you could still be placed on a national waiting list and be offered admission from that list."

    Notice the text in red. Can anyone explain what this means? I have always heard/read that "You HAVE to have a nom - any nom - in order to get an appointment." And yet, I have seen the above and similar in USMA brochures. The text above from USMA's website seems to convey that the strict nom req't is not quite the case: that some few may not need to have a nom.

    Any insights? Just curious...
     
  14. BoLwife

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    I may be wrong, but perhaps they could have worded it better and what they meant to say was that even if you aren't appointed using that particular nomination (ie you got a nom, but weren't the principal, or got a nomination and weren't chosen from the competetive slate) that you can still be on the NWL. Everything I've ever read about any of the SAs (USCGA being the exception now) is that a nomination of some kind is an absolute necessity. No nom = no chance at all.
     
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    More than likely, it's an oversight. The posting should read

    If you are NOT APPOINTED through any of these competitive processes, you could still be placed on a national waiting list and be offered admission from that list.
     
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    (e) If the annual quota of cadets under subsection (b)(1), (2), (3) is not filled, the Secretary may fill the vacancies by nominating for appointment other candidates from any of these sources who were found best qualified on examination for admission and not otherwise nominated.

    My read: Additional Appointments are technically "Nominated", just not by the normal means. (Emphasis mine)

    So the USMA website is still technically correct. They just don't mention that the process is selection by USMA, then nom by the Sec of the Army, then appointed.
     
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    Don't flame me, but doesn't it Essentially say that Admissions can do "get" anyone they want, regardless of whether that candidate went through the long and cumbersome nomination process or not.:confused:?

    My question is, how dedicated is a candidate that either wasn't motivated enough to go through the prescribed process like everyone else is required to do, or who didn't make the cut on their MOC interviews?
     
  19. hopeful2018

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    It really comes down to if they really want you they will find a way to get you in via superintendent or Vice President
     
  20. hopeful2018

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    I don't think many people DoNT hot hero ugh the process. I think 95% of people try every means possible to get a nomination sometimes it just doesn't work out
     

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