West Point football players are identified as six Spring Breakers who overdosed on fentanyl-laced cocaine in front yard of their Florida vacation home

All I will say is that I had the misfortune of attending the funeral for the son of a very good friend who passed away from a fentanyl OD. This kid was a recruited lacrosse player at a well regarded college with a loving and supportive family , not a known drug user . He might have tried something for the first time and unfortunately it was the last time . These students , regardless of whether they attend USMA or not , are VERY lucky that first responders were present and able to bring them back with Narcan . Hopefully they don’t suffer any long term issues .
 
Simply have to wait and see. Certainly first and foremost hoping all involved parties recover fully.
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
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Army football players among those involved in drug overdose incident while on spring break

Five people remain hospitalized in South Florida, two of which are on ventilators, from overdosing
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Another recent updates.

And this one says again——two WP students admitted. Not 6 WP students admitted.

And we know that 2 of the 6 were admitted for giving cpr.

Now which do you think it was more likely to be WP students?

Among the 4 taking coke a few days before they will be drug tested back at WP or the 2 giving CPR?

This is not a trick question .
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They should ALL be drug tested immediately and let the UCMJ run its course.

I've VERY sympathetic to all cadets and mid's...

But NOT in this arena.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Four of them did the cocaine. Two of the six got sick giving the other four mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.

Yes, it is very hard to believe West Pointers would do that.
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Why?

They're college students. As much as we like to put our cadets and midshipmen on a pedestal, they're college students, kids/young adults, and representatives of our country. Drugs are commonplace in the USA today. I can tell you who the drug users are in my JROTC program; I just haven't been able to catch any of them. Folks on campus (and I teach at an upper-middle-class high school) know who the users are, who their suppliers are, but...try to catch them. Rarely happens.

This happens ALL THE TIME on "regular" campuses; it doesn't even make the news unless tragically, someone dies. And then it's on page four.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Yes, it is very hard to believe West Pointers would do that.
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When it's Spring Break, college students make stupid choices and win stupid prizes. West Point Cadets aren't excluded from that. West Point Cadets come from society so they can make dumb choices too. Hopefully they recover and we get the full story but if it is indeed their choice to take on terrible drugs, then they should be expelled. Fentanyl laced cocaine is some serious s***, we aren't talking about the Devil's Lettuce here.
 
I have told this story before. My Squad Leader popped positive at the post spring break drug test and got sent enlisted to the fleet. He was 6-7 weeks from graduating and flight school. Alcohol fueled poor decision making. Not sure about the other SAs, but USNA we took a drug test the Sunday evening upon return from spring break. We all knew it, it happened every single year.
 
If we are going to agree that those that accept appointments are representative of the general public, then we admit they are human and fallible.
I won’t comment on the current sh&$ storm since we are waiting for facts.

I am saddened by the assumption that those that accept appointments are somehow heroes or infallible beings. That their exploits in high school or their application process made them bullet proof people.
For those still applying or considering, you don’t become a perfect being by applying or being accepted. You just become a person who maybe scrutinized more than the average Joe.
 
One of the previous post seemed to imply that the kids knew they were taking coke w fentanyl. In my opinion there is no way these kids knew the cocaine was laced w Fentanyl

No way.
 
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It is a sad reminder that a poor choice can destroy your life. Probably another lesson is you need to keep your self away from potential problems. Maybe renting a party house with a group of friends is not a good idea if you are striving to be an officer. Another is that misconduct is something you as an officer will have to manage. 19 and 20 year olds can make some really bad decisions. DS had to bail out officers/soldiers who have made really bad decisions. Usually was a distraught phone call at 3AM. Parents have to get involved, lawyers etc. If you really want to reach your goals sometimes it is much wiser to stay home.
 
NorwichDad said:
It is a sad reminder that a poor choice can destroy your life. Probably another lesson is you need to keep your self away from potential problems. Maybe renting a party house with a group of friends is not a good idea if you are striving to be an officer. Another is that misconduct is something you as an officer will have to manage. 19 and 20 year olds can make some really bad decisions. DS had to bail out officers/soldiers who have made really bad decisions. Usually was a distraught phone call at 3AM. Parents have to get involved, lawyers etc. If you really want to reach your goals sometimes it is much wiser to stay home.
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19-20 year olds certainly make some bad decisions. Heck I thought I was invincible at that age. Many forget that your success as an officer often hinges on mostly 18-24 year olds staying out of trouble and performing well.
 
2020HD said:
Mark Twain once said something like “if you don’t read the papers you’re uninformed, if you do, you’re misinformed.” Let’s see what really happened. Prayers sent for everyone involved.
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Every time I have been interviewed by a news reporter, the resulting story was incorrect. Lately a read a NYT article on a situation in my local area. I know what happened, so I could analyze the accuracy of the article. To my astonshiment, the article painted a completely untrue picture. Some of the actual details were misconstrued, while other important details were left out of the story. I suspect the reason was to support a political opinion of the paper.

If you believe all the news your read on the internet or hear on TV, you will certainly be “misinformed.”
 
Heatherg21 said:
For those still applying or considering, you don’t become a perfect being by applying or being accepted. You just become a person who maybe scrutinized more than the average Joe.
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Well stated, @Heatherg21.

Also, having perfect grades, stellar test scores, multiple leadership posts and varsity captaincies does not make you immune from bad decisions. Nor does it make you morally superior to those who don’t.

While I have a kid at USNA, I’ve never bought into the “best and brightest” mythology. Let’s not glorify these young adults just because they received a BFE from an SA. To be sure, many have impeccable credentials and exemplary character. They are to be admired. But some are less than that. Many of the “best and brightest” were turned down or never applied.

And while I find the behavior in question to be deplorable, it does not automatically disqualify someone from having honor and integrity. Perhaps (probably, definitely) those cadets are not officer material. But let’s not call them irredeemable until we know the full story.

Some of America’s greatest military leaders and battlefield heroes were not boy scouts (small b, small s — not commenting on the organization). Some were of questionable character or were lawbreakers. Amazingly, humans are complex, and bravery and stupidity have been known to dwell in the same person.
 
Is it just me, or does it always seem like the football teams at the service academies get in more trouble than the rest of the student bodies? And why is that do you think?
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Is it just me, or does it always seem like the football teams at the service academies get in more trouble than the rest of the student bodies? And why is that do you think?
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A good question

I have no idea not being a sports type myself——I ran long distance races instead :)

I will say that of the Marines and Docs I looked up to most ,as being outstanding in the field , and under stress ,many if not most , were former football players.

And a few former football players that were boxers. BMFs

They were tougher, stronger, more aggressive, and seemed to be braver.
 
NJROTC-CC said:
Is it just me, or does it always seem like the football teams at the service academies get in more trouble than the rest of the student bodies?
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Maybe. Maybe not. Beware painting with too broad a brush. Could it be that football players get into trouble as much as others, but tales of their misdeeds are more broadly publicized because they’re football players?

I don’t know. But I do know that we’re a sports-obsessed society (guilty as charged, Your Honor). And that all the “best and brightest” buildup to the Army-Navy Game invites a certain scrutiny from skeptical quarters. SA indiscretions will always be a media magnet — and SA athletic indiscretions doubly so.
 
We do have to get all the facts. But Cadets are not kids, sorry. It does not cut it at all that they are acting their age. Officers/Cadets must be held to the highest standards. That is because they can be sent to the most God forsaken dangerous places on earth responsible for the lives of "other people's sons and daughters."
 
NorwichDad said:
We do have to get all the facts. But Cadets are not kids, sorry. It does not cut it at all that they are acting their age. Officers/Cadets must be held to the highest standards. That is because they can be sent to the most God forsaken dangerous places on earth responsible for the lives of "other people's sons and daughters."
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They may be seen as kids though

Our gunny and our point man went down alone to scout a river we were to cross. They saw crocks in the river swimming by.

The gunny turned to the recon Marine next to him and said——let’s not tell the kids they might get nervous:)

And kids is the term I remember our team being called.

Lucky for me this was a story I found out about once on the other side of the river.
 
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