What would it happen if a commissioned officer relinquished citizenship?

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If an academy graduate relinquishes US citizenship and assumes other citizenship, how will the government enforce military obligation service? After all that person could not be commissioned since will no longer be a citizen, and even more could not be enlisted because he would be outside the US.
But, I read this on travel.state.gov

Persons considering renunciation should also be aware that the fact that they have renounced U.S. nationality may have no effect whatsoever on their U.S. tax or military service obligations.

So, my question is, what would it happen? What would the government do? Will his renunciation request be denied?

I have heard this of a fellow classmate,He is 1C cadet/mid and will be commissioning next May. He was born in a foreign country to US parents, he did his last two years of high school in the US living with his grandparents. He got admission to an academy by chance as he said. He told me he can not get used to life in the US and does not like the military. He was pushed to hang on at the academy by his US grandfather who also is an academy graduate. He told me he feels foreigner because he was born and raised abroad and misses his country and way of life.
 
He can do the honorable thing, serve his required years in exchange for the education he has received, gain valuable job experience, steel himself for the ordeal of some transient discomfort for a relatively short period, do as he wishes after that for the remainder of his 60-70 years or so on the planet. It’s a small price to pay to act honorably.

If he chooses to voluntarily resign at this point, he will owe the large payback to the U.S, government. Or, he can be ordered to enlisted service in a specialty where citizenship and security clearance are not immediately required, with no break in service.

If he commissions and tries to renounce his U.S. citizenship, then he should seek competent legal advice as to the range of consequences. No doubt the service has dealt with this before and knows exactly how to deal with it.
 
pablo said:
If an academy graduate relinquishes US citizenship and assumes other citizenship, how will the government enforce military obligation service? After all that person could not be commissioned since will no longer be a citizen, and even more could not be enlisted because he would be outside the US.
But, I read this on travel.state.gov

Persons considering renunciation should also be aware that the fact that they have renounced U.S. nationality may have no effect whatsoever on their U.S. tax or military service obligations.

So, my question is, what would it happen? What would the government do? Will his renunciation request be denied?

I have heard this of a fellow classmate,He is 1C cadet/mid and will be commissioning next May. He was born in a foreign country to US parents, he did his last two years of high school in the US living with his grandparents. He got admission to an academy by chance as he said. He told me he can not get used to life in the US and does not like the military. He was pushed to hang on at the academy by his US grandfather who also is an academy graduate. He told me he feels foreigner because he was born and raised abroad and misses his country and way of life.
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If this is real, then I would say he would have to have been a world class b*********r to have gone through the entire process of earning an appointment.

With your description you may have just doxed him.
 
cb7893 said:
If this is real, then I would say he would have to have been a world class b*********r to have gone through the entire process of earning an appointment.

With your description you may have just doxed him.
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Yes he is very smart. He could get a pilot slot, but he just asked for a service that doesn't require more training to no incur in more commitment time. His initial plan was to get an stem degree, serve his 5 year active and go back to his country where his parents and friends live. But he realized he feels miserable in the military. And it is very difficult to resign voluntarily from an academy. You get pushed not to do it by you the instructors and commanding officer, they try to convince you to overcome the obstacles and to try one year more again. And I think with family pressure it is worst.
 
This was a question to consider before signing his commitment papers 2c year. That document is kind of a big deal, especially for anyone not confident in their dedication to serve. In fact it's precisely why that step exists. I can't get too worked up over the fate of someone who entered the process so cynically and brushed past the gates without pause. He can follow Capt MJ's advice and just tough it out, as agreed, or find a lawyer and take his chances.
 
They spent two years going to HS in the US,then two full years at a SA, then they could have walked away and owed nothing to the US govt.

instead they let their parents, instructors, their company officers, and the offer of two more years of free education at a top university , lead them to make a decision they now regret.

At a min I would assume they will get a quite large bill for their 4 years of free education.

People know full well they do not like the military after one or two years. And that is why you can walk away with no obligation after two years at a SA.
 
Learning how to stand up to external pressures, fight for your own path, set boundaries - all part of maturing into standing on your own two feet and making your own decisions. In this case, paralysis and indecision at the time when the decision could have been made with no attached costs have led to a more serious dilemma with ethical elements and potentially severe consequences.
 
cb7893 said:
If this is real, then I would say he would have to have been a world class b*********r to have gone through the entire process of earning an appointment.

With your description you may have just doxed him.
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Yeah he did.
 
My opinion, and I’m not 100% sure, is that he/she should pay back the tuition that he took for granted. I would say to finish your commitment time and then separate.
 
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Little ears might soon be consuming machine cycles on all of his personal electronic devices and comm waypoints …
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Tell him to resign and take his legal chances. I don't want anyone like that serving in our military or around Soldiers.
 
Capt MJ said:
If he chooses to voluntarily resign at this point, he will owe the large payback to the U.S, government. Or, he can be ordered to enlisted service in a specialty where citizenship and security clearance are not immediately required, with no break in service.
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pablo said:
Yes he is very smart
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Late to the party ...but he's not that smart if he thinks he can get away with gaming the system. One rule of thumb when dealing with the Military (or the Government for that matter) --they have unlimited resources and will get their way. In addition, if getting out via a loophole was viable, someone would have already done it and then the hole would be closed. Mess with the system, and their will be payback .... how does 5 years as BOQ officer in Keflavik sound ?
 
Tell him/her to go ahead and relinquish their US citizenship. Then come back and tell us how it all worked out. Or didn’t.
 
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