Would you guys please chance me and give me advice?

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  1. cgsdawgs

    cgsdawgs Member

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    Rising senior in HS, about to start filling out my AFROTC scholarship application. Here is a few things about me

    College Plans: Major in Meteorology at either Virginia Tech or Florida State
    GPA: UW-3.93, W-4.26
    Courses: All honors or AP for core classes. APs-BC Calculus, Physics 1, and then next year Physics C, Government, and Multivariable Calculus/Matrix Algebra (Not an AP class, but a college course offered at my school)
    SAT: 1480 (77o Math, 710 Reading and Wirting)
    Sports:
    • Football all 4 years (Varsity Junior and Senior year)
    • Swim (Since I was 8 for summer swim team, only Junior and Senior year for high school)
    • Rugby (Every year but freshman, varsity each year, probably captain next year but that will be after I apply)
    Community Service: Mainly with Habitat Humanity. Week long trip each summer of high school consisting of 4, 6 hour long work days. Also spend about 4 hours each year to help run church auction to raise money for H4H, as well as donating around 4 hours of my time in yard work to be auctioned off.
    Work Experience: Have worked at a local fall festival every fall since the age of 14, plan to do so again this year. Also started lifeguarding this summer.
    PFT: Confident that I can max out on everything
     
  2. Pima

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    You look strong, BUT here is a couple of things.

    1. Nobody knows the size of the candidate pool or the amount of scholarships being offered.
    2. Is that best sitting or superscore? They use best sitting, thus if you are posting superscore than it will be a different score for boarding process.
    3. Your class curriculum for your senior year is not going to be included in the boarding/selection process. It will only include through your junior year.
    ~~ Same is true for any ECs.
    4. They will look at your school profile, which will include % that go to Ivy vs 4 yr vs 2 yr, class rank, % that take APs, and the weight/grade scale.
    ~~ I.E. gpas vary because some HSs use a 7 point scale and some use a 10. A 91 on a 7 pt scale is a B, not an A like a 10 pt. An 84 is a C, not a solid B. Same is true for weighting AP/Honors. Some will weight AP at 4.5 and some at 5.0 or 6.0.

    Thus, although you look strong it is when you delve deeper that will result in a stronger chance of a real chance me answer.

    Additionally, I think you need to look deeply into a couple of things regarding your school choices.
    1. Some schools meteorology will be considered tech by the AF because of the curriculum, but at other schools it may be considered non-tech.
    ~ That is going to also impact you from a chance perspective. If all stays true for you (best sitting, competitive school, high class rank) than you should be at least a type 2, but if at that college you will be non-tech, than a type 2 might be a reach. (Look at the numbers for type 1 and 2, non-tech, it is @50 NATIONALLY)
    2. I can't tell what state you are from. VA or FL or maybe neither.
    ~ Talk to the folks about this aspect from a financial perspective. What if you hate ROTC, but love the school, can you/they afford to attend without the scholarship?
    ~~ If you are from FL and VT is your number 1 choice, but only get a type 7, than you will need to convert it to a 3 yr. type 2. IOWS, you are on your own for that freshmen year as an OOS. 2015-2016 cost OOS was 38.5K. My DD attended VT for both undergrad and grad as an IS student. I can tell you it went up every yr by at least 8%. Thus, for you it will be @41K as a freshmen OOS, and probably 43K before that 3 yr type 2 kicks in.
    ~~~ Let's assume you get the type 2, not a type 7 or the best...type 1 which covers tuition regardless of IS or OOS. (Type 1 is 5% of all scholarships awarded, approx. 50 nationally, and 5% of them are non-tech or @3 candidates). They max the type 2 at 18K for tuition. IS and you are good to go because the tuition is currently @13K. OOS, you are still paying 10K+ out of pocket for tuition before R & B. VT will mandate you live on campus all 4 yrs since you are in the Corps aka SMC.
    3. AFROTC scholarship is not a TRUE 4 yr scholarship. There is so much fine print or Devil in the details that you have yet to realize.
    ~ Min. cpa per semester is 2.5. TRUE.
    ~~ Problem is the scholarship is what we call here a 2+2. You must get selected for Summer Field Training as a sophomore. 2.5 cgpa is not going to cut it. Avg tech cgpa is 3.0/3.1. Non-tech is 3.3/3.4. Not selected and they have the right to dis-enroll you from AFROTC. You will lose your scholarship. See above about can you afford to attend without the scholarship.
    4. You decide you hate meteorology, assumption it is considered tech, but love Physical Science which maybe considered a non-tech. You will need approval from HQ AFROTC to convert the scholarship to non-tech. High chances are they will say NO. Thus, you will be forced to stay in that tech realm to keep the scholarship or relinquish the scholarship and stay in the program. Talk to the folks about this what if.
    5. You will owe 4 yrs ADAF, not upon commissioning, but reporting ADAF. It can take 6-9 months before reporting to duty. In essence, it can be 5 years before you leave the AF. If you decide to use TAP (Tuition Assistance Program) for your Grad degree than you will be adding more time on for the commitment payback. If you think you can go ED (Educational Delay) after commissioning for grad school prior to going ADAF, you will have to fight for that and statistically you are looking at a very low chance. Not a betting woman, but even if I was, I sure would not bet on it. I think you have better odds getting a type 1, than an ED in your major.

    Do I think you will get at least a type 7? Yes! Posters know me, it is rare that I say something like that. Do yourself a favor if you can afford to visit both of these schools. Call them and ask to visit the det. Ask to meet some POCs (jr/sr), and ask if they have any meteorology cadets to meet you. Tell your folks you will meet them in an hr at the Student Union or wherever on campus.
    ~ This will accomplish 2 things.
    ~~ They will see you as a peer and talk about the unit while hanging out in the det. lounge. Secondly, if they are your major they will give you insight into the academic program at that school.
    ~~~ If the folks hang with you, it will be a dog and pony show. There will be a ton of YES Sir/Mam. The folks won't mean to intrude, but they are parents will ask questions that matter to them, not necessarily you. When you walk the campus with them, every college kid will know you are in HS. Walk by yourself, and you can imagine life next year as a student/cadet walking the campus by yourself just like the students there that day.

    SORRY for the novella, but I hope it opens your mind to aspects you have yet to discuss, but are really important when you sign on that dotted line. This is not 4 yrs of your life and a scholarship. This is the next decade. 27 on a good day, and unlike you choosing where you will live for 4 yrs and your major(college), the AF will choose where you live and your career.,
    Can you spell ALAMOGORDO, LAUGHLIN, MINOT, etc? All of those places will need your position. All of them have jokes about them. I can add places like Mt. Home, Eilson, and Cannon.
    ~ Alamogordo: Oh My God No!
    ~ Laughlin: Del Rio, TX = Hell Rio
    ~ Minot: Why Not Minot? Freezin is the reason.

    Just saying, somebody will be assigned there, just like somebody will get Eglin (FL), Randolph (TX) Hickham (HA), Langley (VA) or Elmendorf (AK), but either way you go, it will be the AF that decides where you will live for 3-4 years and decide if you can take leave aka vacation. Not you. You can request those places, just like everyone else will do, but let's be honest...Eglin is located in Destin Florida, would you really ask for Mt. Home in Idaho over Destin? Would you request Grand Forks over Ramstein? See where I am going with this?
     
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  3. Sled

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    haha don't jinx him Pima!
     
  4. Pima

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    Sled,

    See my 1st point....NOBODY knows the size of the candidate pool or the pot of money for scholarships.

    Honestly, I am paying attention to the OCS side right now regarding numbers. They are opening up that spigot, especially for rated. Read the articles Conversely, AFROTC has been tightening up...ALOT!

    AFROTC since at least 2014 (?)
    1. Type 2 is still 18K max. It was maxxed at 18k in 2008.
    ~ No increase for almost a decade, while the avg college tuition increase is 8-10% annually.
    2. Not contracted = no uniforms.
    ~ No PT outfits, no blues, no nothing unless you are scholarship. Years prior you got the whole kit and kaboodle even if you were not on scholarship
    3. SFT is no longer a TDY.
    4. Class of 2016 entered watching the class of 2012 receive $550 a month stipend as seniors, 450 for jrs. 350 for sophs, and 250 for fresh.. The class of 2020 now are watching the class of 2016 receive how much as srs?

    The only thing that HQ AFROTC has brought back is for 4 yr scholarship recipients regarding a summer tour between AS 100 and 200 yr. Otherwise, they have cut ROTC to the bare bones in my opinion because it is cheaper to do the OCS route over ROTC.

    In the end we all need to learn how to spell S-E-Q-U-E-S-T-R-A-T-I-O-N. We will feel it for @5 more years. IMPO AFROTC will feel it harder than USAFA and OCS.

    I am not saying don't apply. I am saying that don't think this will be a cake walk once you get the scholarship. You will have to prove yourself over and over again, AFOQT scores will matter. Rank within the detachment will matter. You will get a job within the unit, and that can equate to 10-20 more hours a week over your academic hours and ROTC hrs (LLAB/PT)

    Getting the scholarship is the easiest part when it comes to your future. You are 17, you think you know what you want, and I respect that. However, life is funny! I just want you to have that option to walk away from ROT C and remain at your college.
     
  5. cgsdawgs

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    Thank you for your help. A few answers:
    1. That is my only SAT score, so yes it is best sitting
    2. School grading scale: 4.0 for an A, 3.7 A-, 3.5 B+. +0.5 weight for honors, and +1.0 weight for AP
    3. I am from Northern VA. I think my school is very strong for the things you mentioned
    4. I checked the AFROTC website and Meteorology/Atmospheric Sciences is listed as a tech major. Does this still vary school to school?
    5. My #1 right now is FSU, and I have talked to my parents since it is OOS. They said money is not a big issue, but obviously a scholarship would be nice


    Also, does college performance and performance in ROTC have any impact on how likely you are to get an assignment you request?
     
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  6. Sled

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    OCS is opening up and AFROTC is tightening up. I like to see that they are cutting the other things instead of slots though because we need those people and there are people willing to put in the effort...(for now, considering BAH and cuts). The slots haven't changes so I'm not too worried for others yet. Also I do believe that they cut the 100-200 tour already. I think they only did it last year.
     

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