EOD/SEALmom
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Seems I'm terrible at internet sarcasm....It looks like cadets holding on to the ends of their sabers that they have placed across the back of their shoulders, to me.
Seems I'm terrible at internet sarcasm....It looks like cadets holding on to the ends of their sabers that they have placed across the back of their shoulders, to me.
I'll just keep it simple and say you should stick to comments about the military. Your comments about law enforcement just show your ignorance. You obviously watch too much CNN and MSNBC.
LOL.Well said, +1 to you.
OH YEAH?
LOL.
Do you dispute that the overwhelming number of unjustified police shootings have been black males? I mean, it's not even a discussion at this point. It's statistical fact.
Google is your obliging friend.I would like to see those statistics.
Google is your obliging friend.
Nothing about this stance shocks me in the least.When you say something is a fact, you have to show the statistics.
And, no one in that photo is disenfranchised. They've been able to vote from 2-7 years. Their parents (provided they've voted in the US their entire lives) have not been disenfranchised. Their grandparents have not likely been disenfranchised.
I'm confused how that's a talking point in this discussion.
You're going to see what you want to see in this photo. These Cadets who maybe graduating in three weeks missed the mark about Army Leadership and their role in it. Take a page from Army Football. Each team member is hand selected from all parts of our country to represent the "Corp of Cadets." Every time they bear the football uniform on their backs they give up their individualism for the team. You don't see the color of their skin, their individual talent or their high school career stats. You see a Team, Army Football. They give up who they are for the Army, For the Corp, For the Team. Hell they don't even have their names on their shoulders.
I've read numerous articles about how WP needs to catch up to current times, Cadet life is antiquated, it needs to be more diverse (modern term for affirmative action) Army leadership needs to change and incorporate more activism. All of these view points are from the outside looking in and have no idea the militaries greatest dirty secret that many of its mission are humanitarian based. Civilians will never understand until they commit themselves to wear the uniform and be of service.
Push Hard, Press Forward
Nothing about this stance shocks me in the least.
If you're interested in the facts, go find them. I don't have to do anything. The numbers don't change if I don't provide them to you. If you choose to remain uninformed, that's your prerogative.
So just to be clear, you establish that it's widely accepted and statistically available, but don't actually have the statistics.
And to be clear you aren't contending that anyone in the photo is disenfranchised.
Now, so I'm clear, I don't really care.I'm not here to condemn a group of West Point cadets. I'm not here to excuse them. I don't care. I first saw this on LinkedIn, when a black Coast Guard Academy grad applauded than did making it four years through West Point but also reminded them making political statements in uniform was not appropriate. That's true. Although from the photo I saw I wasn't sure what kind of statement was being made.
At the end of the day, it makes no difference. Either people are blowing it up, but they'll enter an Army that has the right perspective or people are right to take offense and they'll enter and Army where officers will make excuses for them. Independent of how that shakes out, I don't care. The Army has bigger problems than this photo. It also have more prominent things to be proud of than this photo. And I have far more important things to deal with than the conduct of West Point cadets (I believe the Army pays people to worry about that).
The plaintive cry of the intellectually intractable, ignoring good data because you don't like the source. Welcome to America in 2016."The Post's database."
Stopped right there.
I painted them as nothing more than young women keenly aware of how a powerful and vocal portion of American society views their kind.As far as disenfranchisement goes, you offer no evidence that these women are subject to it. Instead you paint them as victims of a society seeking to disenfranchise them in the name of ending voter fraud (which does exist). And how? Voter ID?
Bravo for her, but anecdotes are meaningless in this case.My minority girlfriend votes, and to my knowledge hasn't felt a whisper of disenfranchisement (and to take it one more step, a naturalized minority). We're actually surprised more documentation isn't required.
I don't see anyone painting them as victims. Understanding why 16 young women would identify with Beyoncé's message that a black woman is powerful and can do anything she wants isn't difficult when the context of our society is considered. Your stance thus far has basically been "their concerns aren't real because LOL I DON'T SEE IT." That's hardly up to your intellectual standard.I find it interesting that you would find so many reasons to paint them victims, where I doubt they'd paint themselves that way. And I find it interesting a fellow officer, albeit a black male academy grad (no doubt in your mind disenfranchised and targeted by police) would take issue with any kind of "statement" made in uniform.
If this thread tells us anything, it's that you care.But like I said, I don't care. People have made statements in the past. They've thrown their medals over the White House fence only to one day serve as Secretary of State. They've done illegal drugs in uniform, acted as mules across borders and worn the uniform incorrectly. There's not a cadet or midshipman who hasn't worn some uniform item the wrong way just to have fun, look cool or make a statement. And I have yet to see a Coast Guard wedding that doesn't end with people opening the collars of their dress whites or taking some kind of "Civil War" pose photo with their hands in their buttons (I've certainly done it).
I haven't looked at whatever the statement photo is. I thought the alternative one above looked cool. I don't care if they aren't at attention or have their swords across their backs (I've had more than one classmate break his sword trying to sword fight... An expensive mistake).
The plaintive cry of the intellectually intractable, ignoring good data because you don't like the source. Welcome to America in 2016.
I painted them as nothing more than young women keenly aware of how a powerful and vocal portion of American society views their kind.
Bravo for her, but anecdotes are meaningless in this case.
I don't see anyone painting them as victims. Understanding why 16 young women would identify with Beyoncé's message that a black woman is powerful and can do anything she wants isn't difficult when the context of our society is considered. Your stance thus far has basically been "their concerns aren't real because LOL I DON'T SEE IT." That's hardly up to your intellectual standard.
If this thread tells us anything, it's that you care.
LOL.
Do you dispute that the overwhelming number of unjustified police shootings have been black males? I mean, it's not even a discussion at this point. It's statistical fact.