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joriebelle
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Oh no. I'm so sorry to hear this and hope you can find sometime to help the mid.
KP2020Dad
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Looks like we're going to need that same info. My DS had problems with his sea year projects and is facing disenrollment. Any advice would be welcome. Thanks.
If he hasn't has problems in the past they'll probably get him a setback or deferred grad. I wouldn't go to a lawyer just yet.
KP2020Dad
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Thanks. He has never failed any classes to this point and there were some mitigating circumstances that affected his sea year. We're hoping that is taken into account and he receives a setback or deferred grad. Thanks again.
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What projects did he fail? If he's 2020A and no prior history with a or e boards he has a good case to be a deferred grad. MARAD has spent a ton of money on him at this point, they want to realize their investment.
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I'm not sure, but I think electrical, humanities, and one other. From what he says there are 20+ (I think he said 24) that failed sea year projects and are in the same boat. His "faculty advisor" told him that defered is off the table because there were so many that failed 1-2 projects. So, at this point, setback is the best outcome. Right now, he's saying there is nothing we (as parents) can do. I don't want to rely on that.
Make the project up on the KPer, SUNY's training ship, or drive to some vessel out of Port Elizabeth. If the only issue is one or two failed projects, what would be the point of a setback? What would you do for that year when all you need is the sea time to go redo the project?
KP2020Dad
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I don't know. I didn't attend KP or an academy. Being an old, crusty enlisted sailor, I'm hoping they are trying to scare the crap out of him. But, you never know. There's new leadership and they could try to set an example with the current sea year failures. (The way he is talking, I would welcome a setback...it's better than a disenrollment.)
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I will never understand the "zero defect" mentality. One strike should not be an out.
If a kid has a reasonable plan to make up the failures (1-2 the second sea year is reasonable, all of them is not) then why wouldn't you give him/her the opportunity regardless of the $X invested. Doing two steam projects in one sea year might be difficult but when but a project is not tied to a specific ship type such as humanities or even electrical why can't you?
If a kid has a reasonable plan to make up the failures (1-2 the second sea year is reasonable, all of them is not) then why wouldn't you give him/her the opportunity regardless of the $X invested. Doing two steam projects in one sea year might be difficult but when but a project is not tied to a specific ship type such as humanities or even electrical why can't you?
@KPEngineer I agree 100%. Hopefully there is a clear thinking and rational adult in the room for this young man's sake.
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Is it realistic to expect an 18-22 year old, on their own to be able to advocate for/defend themselves against the full weight of the administration? The school should be required to appoint someone to advocate for/advise anyone facing any kind of board that can result in setback or disenrollment.
The school does appoint a faculty member to defend them.
If its 3 projects including humanities it's almost certainly a deferred grad. As much as the humanities people like to think their project matters, it doesn't. And it's redone easily at school. The other two, it sounds like he'll have to go to sea for a few months post grad to finish. Last year a 2019A mid who failed all the 2nd sail projects was given a setback. However, that was under James and not Jack. Everyone has said Jack is going to be tougher on academic failures. But, all things considered I would say 90% deferred grad. The SOP for 3 fails is deferred grad, and since one is humanities which he can literally do right now it would be a huge waste of a year to do 2 projects again. I think you're worrying for nothing here really. He's probably scared because he's RFD and going to see a board, but tons of people have been RFD and the majority still probably graduated.