Army ROTC 2nd Board Results!

lv2003 said:
Applications are down this year?
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There is every indication that they are. There is no indication to the contrary. As I've said before, I think CC has "gone to ground" and is waiting for "the situation to develop" before they cut the deck on the second board. They are waiting to see how many applications they having pending for the third board before deciding where the cutoff is on the second board. That deadline is tomorrow at COB. Remember, they only awarded 1/2 of the scholarships from the first board they awarded last year.
 
OPFOR6 said:
There is every indication that they are. There is no indication to the contrary. As I've said before, I think CC has "gone to ground" and is waiting for "the situation to develop" before they cut the deck on the second board. They are waiting to see how many applications they having pending for the third board before deciding where the cutoff is on the second board. That deadline is tomorrow at COB. Remember, they only awarded 1/2 of the scholarships from the first board they awarded last year.
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Would this give the kids on the 2nd board a better chance at getting a scholarship?
 
lv2003 said:
Would this give the kids on the 2nd board a better chance at getting a scholarship?
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If applications are down, everyone who applies has a better chance of winning a scholarship in one of the boards but whether it’s in the second board might depend on how many scholarships they end up holding for the 3rd board.
 
lv2003 said:
Would this give the kids on the 2nd board a better chance at getting a scholarship?
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I would predict, yes. The applicants who don't take the SAT/ACT will be scored at 998 on the SAT and only considered in the third board. So, by default, they will receive fewer points on that item.
 
OPFOR6 said:
I would predict, yes. The applicants who don't take the SAT/ACT will be scored at 998 on the SAT and only considered in the third board. So, by default, they will receive fewer points on that item.
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Do you think SAT scores matter a ton?
 
tgtl said:
If applications are down, everyone who applies has a better chance of winning a scholarship in one of the boards but whether it’s in the second board might depend on how many scholarships they end up holding for the 3rd board.
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Yes and maybe no. Remember that the needs of the Army is what drives the number of scholarships. The same COVID issues that may be driving application numbers down may also have an impact on the number of scholarships funded/needed. Pure speculation on my part, so take it as that. I will also comment that I would not expect the overall standards to decrease. For discussion purposes - here are the numbers from a few years ago:

For the academic year 2018-2019, more than 7,000 high school senior applications for the scholarship were reviewed.
About 3,000 applicants were awarded a scholarship. About 25% of those were 4-year scholarships and 75% were 3-year scholarships.

So 7,000 people applied and 3000 received scholarship. If they are down 20%, they still are getting 5000+ applications for 3000 slots. Yes - that does increase the odds, but does not necessarily mean that the standards are lowered. So those same group make the cut regardless of if there is 5000 or 10000 applications.

I will add that I agree with @OPFOR6 - that the unknown is the standardized tests. I remember a post by @Montana State Army ROTC that stated that a majority of the applicants did have standardized test scores for the year. I will see if he can verify that. So - how does that figure in? Do the applicants that have a score get ranked higher, even if the score is low? Definitely a different model this year.
 
tgtl said:
If applications are down, everyone who applies has a better chance of winning a scholarship in one of the boards but whether it’s in the second board might depend on how many scholarships they end up holding for the 3rd board.
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I would predict that every single officer in CC from the CG on down to a 2LT GBR has recruiting as a performance measure on his/her OER support form. Punting slots to the third round takes an unnecessary risk of attrition due to the candidates being awarded offers from: schools that don't have AROTC, other branches, enlistment, athletic scholarships that are incompatible with ROTC, and the like.
 
OPFOR6 said:
There is every indication that they are. There is no indication to the contrary. As I've said before, I think CC has "gone to ground" and is waiting for "the situation to develop" before they cut the deck on the second board. They are waiting to see how many applications they having pending for the third board before deciding where the cutoff is on the second board. That deadline is tomorrow at COB. Remember, they only awarded 1/2 of the scholarships from the first board they awarded last year.
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good point.
 
EEBTTF said:
Yes and maybe no. Remember that the needs of the Army is what drives the number of scholarships. The same COVID issues that may be driving application numbers down may also have an impact on the number of scholarships funded/needed. Pure speculation on my part, so take it as that. I will also comment that I would not expect the overall standards to decrease. For discussion purposes - here are the numbers from a few years ago:

For the academic year 2018-2019, more than 7,000 high school senior applications for the scholarship were reviewed.
About 3,000 applicants were awarded a scholarship. About 25% of those were 4-year scholarships and 75% were 3-year scholarships.

So 7,000 people applied and 3000 received scholarship. If they are down 20%, they still are getting 5000+ applications for 3000 slots. Yes - that does increase the odds, but does not necessarily mean that the standards are lowered. So those same group make the cut regardless of if there is 5000 or 10000 applications.
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The only thing I would add to that is that the scholarship money is a fixed line item budget appropriation from the US Congress. CC still has the same exact headcount requirement from "Big Army." They would be crazy to hold back on spending that money when they have a commissioning goal to meet. A few years back when my first born won a 4-year, they overspent by 10% in the third round anticipating that the usual 10% would turn them down in the third for the scholarship. Less than 10% did and it caused a budget problem for CC that delayed CC from paying book money and the like.

About 100 years ago when I was commissioned, the Army was well short on LT's in combat arms branches and it was a mess. I have no idea why it happened but it wasn't a good outcome.
 
OPFOR6 said:
The only thing I would add to that is that the scholarship money is a fixed line item budget appropriation from the US Congress. CC still has the same exact headcount requirement from "Big Army." They would be crazy to hold back on spending that money when they have a commissioning goal to meet. A few years back when my first born won a 4-year, they overspent by 10% in the third round anticipating that the usual 10% would turn them down in the third for the scholarship. Less than 10% did and it caused a budget problem for CC that delayed CC from paying book money and the like.

About 100 years ago when I was commissioned, the Army was well short on LT's in combat arms branches and it was a mess. I have no idea why it happened but it wasn't a good outcome.
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Great perspective - you are showing your age now, sounds like we may be from the same century!
 
Results are not out yet.

This past week USACC awarded scholarships to 1,003 high school students as part of the second (of three) scholarship boards. These scholarships included 553 four-year offers and 450 three-year offers bringing the total scholarship offers for the year 1,194. Those who received four-year scholarship offers averaged a 1399 on their SATs with a 3.81 GPA.
 
Montana State Army ROTC said:
Results are not out yet.

This past week USACC awarded scholarships to 1,003 high school students as part of the second (of three) scholarship boards. These scholarships included 553 four-year offers and 450 three-year offers bringing the total scholarship offers for the year 1,194. Those who received four-year scholarship offers averaged a 1399 on their SATs with a 3.81 GPA.
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Thanks for posting this. Can you comment on those stats as compared to years past? My take is that the standards for the scholarships awarded will be the same this year as in years past, even if application numbers are slightly down.

Can you also speculate on the % of applicants that have posted at least 1 standardized (SAT/ACT) test?

Thanks for all you do on this Board. You are 1 of a handful of people that can actually provide real time info!
 
Montana State Army ROTC said:
Results are not out yet.

This past week USACC awarded scholarships to 1,003 high school students as part of the second (of three) scholarship boards. These scholarships included 553 four-year offers and 450 three-year offers bringing the total scholarship offers for the year 1,194. Those who received four-year scholarship offers averaged a 1399 on their SATs with a 3.81 GPA.
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The results are not out yet, but you have results?
 
Montana State Army ROTC said:
Results are not out yet.

This past week USACC awarded scholarships to 1,003 high school students as part of the second (of three) scholarship boards. These scholarships included 553 four-year offers and 450 three-year offers bringing the total scholarship offers for the year 1,194. Those who received four-year scholarship offers averaged a 1399 on their SATs with a 3.81 GPA.
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Thank you for the update sir!
 
swiggy said:
I interpreted that to mean Cadet Command has not released the list of individuals who have received scholarships but has released just the numbers from the second board.
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If those numbers are correct, why would they accept a batch of applicants for the third board as test flexible at 998?
 
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