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Do they bounce type 1s? I somehow got it without a STEM requirement and I do not intend to do STEM. Would I have to pay my scholarship back if I don't get selected? It seems silly on the AF's behalf to pay for two years of a cadet's schooling and then not get anything out of it.
 
If you want to ask the impacted student, take what the poster has provided to reach out directly to the student -- there is nothing to the imagination (unfortunately). The student is going to be fine - according to the student's LinkedIn profile and facebook page, he continues to do great things and volunteer at a local museum in his community.
 
mtnwing said:
law suit coming
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You’re obviously not a lawyer, nor have you ever spoken to one. No lawyer would take such a case even for triple his regular fee because it would be entirely frivolous. Maybe if you were Harvard people instead of Yale, you’d understand that you are supposed to read a contract before you sign it.
 
Mts said:
Do they bounce type 1s? I somehow got it without a STEM requirement and I do not intend to do STEM. Would I have to pay my scholarship back if I don't get selected? It seems silly on the AF's behalf to pay for two years of a cadet's schooling and then not get anything out of it.
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No, you won't have to pay it back. Yes, it is silly. However, that's just the way it goes. An AFROTC scholarship is chump change to the Air Force. They really couldn't care less if one person gets screwed over. I know you-know-who is gonna jump down my throat for saying this, but as long as you kick butt in every category (grades, commander's ranking, fitness, AFOQT) you'll get selected. Even this year, the selection rate was around 50%. That means 1 out of every 2 cadets was selected. If you've got straight A's and don't get selected for an EA, then you're lacking in some other category. That's the harsh truth, and I'll stand by it knowing full well it could have been me in his son's shoes had I joined a few years later.

Also, consider a rated job if you want to improve your chances. Non-tech non-rated is a roll of the dice. I chose that route knowing full well I might not be selected (the year I earned my HSSP scholarship the selection rates were pretty bad so I was aware of the risk). Thankfully for me, there were high selection rates two years later, but looking back I could have saved myself some stress and just put in rated because I ended up going that route anyway.

Long story short, don't pick a school you can't afford without the scholarship. I worked summers during high school and college to save up enough money just in case that happened. As the Captain who conducted my interview said "the Air Force isn't a financial aid institution." That money is theirs to do with as they please.
 
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mtnwing said:
no you should actually be honest with 18 year olds and not lie to them if the make perfect straight A's and wake up at 6 am that they will still get kicked out. If I had known there were people like you I would have told him to run. You are the most repulsive person I have ever met. My son ins the most capable person but that is incompatible with people like you that are entitled.
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Elections have consequences. Who did you vote for?
 
Is the army generally safe with what's going on? As in, are they at risk of letting go 50% of cadets like what AF ROTC did?

I apologize, but I'm not very well-versed as to what's going on.
 
I’m surprised mtnwing has lasted this long. Two threads that have degraded into arguing and name calling. Never thought I would see someone threaten a law suit on this forum. I think this has gone too far on both threads, but hey I still have 5 or 6 more packs of microwaveable popcorn so go right ahead with the entertainment. In all honesty this kinda reminds me of those medieval experiences with knights and horses. A whole chicken might be a good substitute for the popcorn when I run out.
 
As a mom, I totally understand that you are upset. (No, I did not read the fine print either on DS's AROTC scholarship (incoming freshman), but thanks to this thread, I will now.)

If your kid still wants to be in the military there are still a ton of ways. And if he has a piece of paper from Yale, with or without the AF, he will be ok. (With straight As and two years at Yale and a good record at AFROTC, he could probably get into USAFA if he really wanted to!)

The mods and the old-timers on here don't sugarcoat anything and tell it like it is, they are not here to attack you or your son. They are actually here to help the forum members. Figure out a plan B. Life goes on. Good luck.
 
Stealth_81 said:
My personal opinion after talking to current pilots is that it will be a short blip. When the airlines shut down hiring many pilots who were planning on leaving the AF put the brakes on that plan. However, most of them did not take the retention bonus so they can quickly restart the separation plan and leave. Because airlines really like military pilots and they were only 20-30% of the airlines hiring before covid, I think you’ll see the AF pilots jump into airline seats fairly quickly once travel picks up (it already has). A few bold souls actually took the opportunity to put in Palace Chase paperwork and will be the first out the door. I think the pilot slots will return sooner rather than later. However, if I really had a crystal ball and knew the answer I’d be selling my services to AFPC.

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I spoke to a pilot who said several years ago they reduced pilots slots but “stashed” people who wanted to fly in another slot until they needed them. Do you know anything about this? If so could it happen again?
 
Mts said:
Do they bounce type 1s? I somehow got it without a STEM requirement and I do not intend to do STEM. Would I have to pay my scholarship back if I don't get selected? It seems silly on the AF's behalf to pay for two years of a cadet's schooling and then not get anything out of it.
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Yes my son was a type 1 military history major with a very good record at the ROTC. I was told he was top third. He didn't check "rated" box (pilot) and he got bounced. Straight A's. So if you're non-Stem and you are not in the "rated" category you are at much higher risk, we have now learned from my experience and what the ROTC leader told us after the fact.
 
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FrauTeufelshund said:
As a mom, I totally understand that you are upset. (No, I did not read the fine print either on DS's AROTC scholarship (incoming freshman), but thanks to this thread, I will now.)

If your kid still wants to be in the military there are still a ton of ways. And if he has a piece of paper from Yale, with or without the AF, he will be ok. (With straight As and two years at Yale and a good record at AFROTC, he could probably get into USAFA if he really wanted to!)

The mods and the old-timers on here don't sugarcoat anything and tell it like it is, they are not here to attack you or your son. They are actually here to help the forum members. Figure out a plan B. Life goes on. Good luck.
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A few of them did nothing but attack.
 
mtnwing said:
Yes my son was a type 1 military history major with a very good record at the ROTC. I was told he was top third. He didn't check "rated" box (pilot) and he got bounced. Straight A's. So if your non-Stem and you are not in the "rated" you are at much higher risk we have now learned
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That would be "you're" as a contraction. I would have changed it, but I didn't want to get sued.
 
VN-Commission said:
Is the army generally safe with what's going on? As in, are they at risk of letting go 50% of cadets like what AF ROTC did?

I apologize, but I'm not very well-versed as to what's going on.
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I was told the Army is actually adding people and is not the same. But I only have one data point. Read your "contract" carefully however as I have now learned as it's not the same as what the recruiter or the people that stand in front of 350 people at school tell you.
 
mtnwing said:
Here is what kids need to know that "NO ONE" told my family. 1) Be a stem major to be safer 2) Select Type Rating For my son with straight A's it was not enough after two years and good performance in the unit. He was above 50% but a military history major and he got bounced. So if you fit the first two it's a good gamble. If you don't it's a roll of the dice. It's sad to see a A student kicked to the curb and that's what they just did.
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I super sorry for your family. IMO, this is one of the downsides of the ROTC route. Both my guys had ROTC and SA offers. And knowing that, at some point in he ROTC program, they would be COMPETING for commissioning as an officer was for sure on the negative side of their PROS and CONS list. And that as long as they completed the SA program, they WOULD commission, was a PRO on the SA list.

But they knew all this. Bc they researched it. They attended ROTC admissions briefings at XX college. Asked questions. Got info.

“NO ONE” told my family sounds like perhaps that was the issue....but this makes me cringe up my face a bit. BC isnt it the responsibility of the student to have all the facts before signing on the dotted line? No disrespect intended, but how do “they” know what anyone does or doesn’t know?

Seriously, I have always said, that in several ways, ROTC is a more difficult and challenging rout than a SA. And here is one example. But...one has to know what they are signing up for. Eyes wide open. Is it really The fault of others (absent being flat out lied to)? Or the responsibility of oneself 🤔

Good if you to share, as other readers can learn from this. I have a friend who’s son wasn’t picked up for NROTC-MO. I get it. But it’s not “THEIR FAULT”. It’s the way the program is, has, and will work. It is what it is....

It also sounds like this is yet another domino effect of the far reaching tentacles of COVID. We will continue to be affected, directly or indirectly, long after the masks hit the garbage cans....
 
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