Federalist Article by Former Cadet

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prairie full moon said:
A recent study came out about natural immunity versus vaccinated immunity relating to the nucleocapsid of the virus. The nucleocapsid is what your t-cells and antibodies recognize and attack. It is the outer "shell" of the virus. The vaccine is designed to attack the spike protein, only 1 part of the virus. This is why natural immunity is stronger than vaccinated immunity against all variants. Your body recognizes the whole virus and its "offspring", "siblings" and "cousins", the vaccinated immunity does not.

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A Review and Autopsy of Two COVID Immunity Studies ⋆ Brownstone Institute

I have never before seen such a large discrepancy between immunity studies that are supposed to answer the same question.
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The linked article speaks directly to the two studies you are referencing day-tripper. The author is a Harvard professor that specializes in this very topic. His conclusion is the the Israeli study is much more robust than what the CDC put forth.
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The author is no longer at Harvard, works for the “Brownstone Institute“ and is the co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration.

Expecting to read a fair, straight up and objective determination from him would be the equivalent of watching a documentary about President Trump on CNN or President Obama on Fox News and expecting that same unbiased analysis.
 
FiveByFive said:
Individuals that donate and bioscience companies across the board are reaping the windfall off of COVID-19 Convalescent Plasma (CCP). CCP is of course extracted from individuals that have been infected with COVID-19.
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@FiveByFive , I am in agreement with you on this whole topic, but take exception to the italicized words.

I contracted COVID-19 in July 2020 and donated CCP as soon as the Community Blood Bank gave me the green light. I donated twice in fact. My third donation did not go for CCP purposes because I had been vaccinated. Each time I visit, the facility is loaded with a cross section of humanity, who carve out a piece of their day to donate whole blood, plasma and platelets. We get nothing other than cookies and juice. The vibe of the place is the polar opposite of this thread and of the Federalist article.

We can only hope that those crowing the loudest about natural immunity and the efficacy of monoclonal anti-body treatments are lined up to donate their CCP.
 
Day-Tripper said:
Gott Mitt Uns leads to Arbeit Mach Frei.
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I hear you and definitely a good reminder. To clarify, this in no way attempts to dissuade anyone's personal faith. Faith is incredible.

But mixing faith and national issues? Drawing black and white moral lines on every minor issue, making a morally "good side" and "evil side", hypocritically excusing certain standards yet criticizing opponents that commit them, escalating to levels of holy wars.... it all eventually leads to creating a hyped up, militant, nationalistic fervor based on ungrounded spiritual principles. It's dangerous and yet very clear & present today.

"If I God is on my side, I'll demonize my opponent..."
"We're fighting God's battles..."
"Because I follow a God who demands absolute truth, I cannot participate in something that has been built on a mountain of lies."

Bad news, Hannah. There is no holy side here. We all fall short of absolute truth. And if you think one side has mastered it, you'll continue to be disappointed.
 
cb7893 said:
@FiveByFive , I am in agreement with you on this whole topic, but take exception to the italicized words.

I contracted COVID-19 in July 2020 and donated CCP as soon as the Community Blood Bank gave me the green light. I donated twice in fact. My third donation did not go for CCP purposes because I had been vaccinated. Each time I visit, the facility is loaded with a cross section of humanity, who carve out a piece of their day to donate whole blood, plasma and platelets. We get nothing other than cookies and juice. The vibe of the place is the polar opposite of this thread and of the Federalist article.

We can only hope that those crowing the loudest about natural immunity and the efficacy of monoclonal anti-body treatments are lined up to donate their CCP.
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In your case, I have no doubt that you were not compensated. However, it does appear that others have been and continue to be compensated for their donation.

Not saying that cookies and juice aren’t a good deal, but of course that would depend on the type of cookie and juice as well 😉
 
The argument that acquired immunity is stronger than the vaccine had to be killed by politicians, thus the flawed CDC study supporting the superiority of vaccines, similar to the flawed CDC Massachusetts study used to implement a new round of controls earlier this year.

For entry into the country Germany accepts any of the following: proof of COVID vaccination. a negative COVID test, documentation of recovery from COVID. In areas where masks are required, they also stipulate the use of the FFP-2 mask (their version of N-95). No messing around with paper and cloth masks they know do not prevent virus transmission. Apparently, at least one other country follows the science.

For the record, I got the vaccine - I think it's great. But I might think differently if I were 25 years old, a pregnant woman, or the parent of a 5 year old. Just can't stand the hypocrisy of our "leaders."
 
The thing is that regardless of which side you agree with or no side or think the vaccine is worse than the disease or whatever, when you join the military, they tell you what vaccines you are going to take. Its that simple. You give up the right to decide some of your medical choices when you join. My son in the AF and is forced to take the flu vaccine every year. Prior to being in the AF, he has never taken it. He went to S. Korea for a month-long exercise, he had to take 3 vaccines including one for Anthrax. He didn't have a choice if he wanted to go to Korea. The Covid vaccine was voluntary when the FDA classified it for emergency use, but once it voted as approved, the military has the right to enforce the vaccine. So all this discussion of natural immunity or not, whether the vaccine is worse than the disease or whether the disease even exists is irrelevant as the military has decided to have everyone immunized. And if you don't like it, leave. Its really that simple. And before you attack me, it doesn't matter if i agree within or not, it is how it is.
 
Humey said:
The thing is that regardless of which side you agree with or no side or think the vaccine is worse than the disease or whatever, when you join the military, they tell you what vaccines you are going to take. Its that simple. You give up the right to decide some of your medical choices when you join. My son in the AF and is forced to take the flu vaccine every year. Prior to being in the AF, he has never taken it. He went to S. Korea for a month-long exercise, he had to take 3 vaccines including one for Anthrax. He didn't have a choice if he wanted to go to Korea. The Covid vaccine was voluntary when the FDA classified it for emergency use, but once it voted as approved, the military has the right to enforce the vaccine. So all this discussion of natural immunity or not, whether the vaccine is worse than the disease or whether the disease even exists is irrelevant as the military has decided to have everyone immunized. And if you don't like it, leave. Its really that simple. And before you attack me, it doesn't matter if i agree within or not, it is how it is.
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The military didn’t decide to mandate the immunization. It was decided for them by a grandstanding government that knew they couldn’t do anything about it.
 
Humey said:
The thing is that regardless of which side you agree with or no side or think the vaccine is worse than the disease or whatever, when you join the military, they tell you what vaccines you are going to take. Its that simple. You give up the right to decide some of your medical choices when you join. My son in the AF and is forced to take the flu vaccine every year. Prior to being in the AF, he has never taken it. He went to S. Korea for a month-long exercise, he had to take 3 vaccines including one for Anthrax. He didn't have a choice if he wanted to go to Korea. The Covid vaccine was voluntary when the FDA classified it for emergency use, but once it voted as approved, the military has the right to enforce the vaccine. So all this discussion of natural immunity or not, whether the vaccine is worse than the disease or whether the disease even exists is irrelevant as the military has decided to have everyone immunized. And if you don't like it, leave. Its really that simple. And before you attack me, it doesn't matter if i agree within or not, it is how it is.
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I don’t disagree with you. My son took it against his wishes for that reason.

I applaud people willing to leave.

Science matters. Let’s not pretend the ones forcing it are following science other than political science.
 
A1Janitor said:
I don’t disagree with you. My son took it against his wishes for that reason.

I applaud people willing to leave.

Science matters. Let’s not pretend the ones forcing it are following science other than political science.
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It’s not pretend when 96% of US physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 per the AMA. It’s actual science.
 
Humey said:
The thing is that regardless of which side you agree with or no side or think the vaccine is worse than the disease or whatever, when you join the military, they tell you what vaccines you are going to take. Its that simple. You give up the right to decide some of your medical choices when you join. My son in the AF and is forced to take the flu vaccine every year. Prior to being in the AF, he has never taken it. He went to S. Korea for a month-long exercise, he had to take 3 vaccines including one for Anthrax. He didn't have a choice if he wanted to go to Korea. The Covid vaccine was voluntary when the FDA classified it for emergency use, but once it voted as approved, the military has the right to enforce the vaccine. So all this discussion of natural immunity or not, whether the vaccine is worse than the disease or whether the disease even exists is irrelevant as the military has decided to have everyone immunized. And if you don't like it, leave. Its really that simple. And before you attack me, it doesn't matter if i agree within or not, it is how it is.
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I agree with you.

However, as to why the issues of natural immunity, the vax being worse than the disease, etc. are being discussed I disagree with you. Whether "relevant" or not, they only are being mentioned now because the cadet herself made those out to be "issues" in her written piece.
 
Supersix00 said:
It’s not pretend when 96% of US physicians have been fully vaccinated for COVID-19 per the AMA. It’s actual science.
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Assuming that's true, its data, not science. You are attributing a meaning to their action in taking it, but you have no idea why they decided to do so. And if the stated statistic is true, it proves nothing, unless the question asked is what percentage of US physicians have been fully vaccinated for Covid 19.
 
Korab said:
The military didn’t decide to mandate the immunization. It was decided for them by a grandstanding government that knew they couldn’t do anything about it.
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The military isn't an island to itself. Its governed by a civilian government. Whether you agree with the government or not, the decision is lawful. If you don't like the government, then you vote in (if you can) a new president next election.
 
FiveByFive said:
I agree with you.

However, as to why the issues of natural immunity, the vax being worse than the disease, etc. are being discussed I disagree with you. Whether "relevant" or not, they only are being mentioned now because the cadet herself made those out to be "issues" in her written piece.
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Well, obviously they are relevant to the cadet as you say because she mentioned them. And of course, since we are discussing her article these points will come up for discussion. When i say relevant, I mean in terms of we can debate the merits of natural immunity ( i believe in it up to point) and all of the other points she made, but in the end, the government/military has decided this is what they want.
 
Humey said:
The military isn't an island to itself. Its governed by a civilian government. Whether you agree with the government or not, the decision is lawful. If you don't like the government, then you vote in (if you can) a new president next election.
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I’m well aware. But let’s not pretend the military mandate was some reasoned decision the military came to on its own. This was a directive by the gov’t who ordered it because they could and so they could point to the military and say “see, everyone in the military is dutifully getting their shots, you should, too”. The gov’t never anticipated the pushback they received from the rank and file.
 
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FiveByFive said:
The author is no longer at Harvard, works for the “Brownstone Institute“ and is the co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration.

Expecting to read a fair, straight up and objective determination from him would be the equivalent of watching a documentary about President Trump on CNN or President Obama on Fox News and expecting that same unbiased analysis.
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So, you are using the logical fallacy of guilt by association to discredit the author and the analysis? There is a great deal to learn from what has been written by this individual. You can fact check his analysis.

This very conclusion is part of the nature of the discussion of SARS-COV-2 in our nation at this time. We (general) choose our experts, choose our opinions, and discredit what another is saying because of association, politics or other tribe option.

This situation of natural immunity versus vaccination is much bigger than the black-and-white presentation that is often made on this site. The military and USCIS has consistently and for a significant period of time taken serology (natural immunity verification) in lieu of a vaccination.

Pfizer has said that there is NO FDA approved product in the US for the COVID vaccine - ALL of the available vaccine in the USA is EUA, meaning experimental, therefore the order is not able to be executed legally by the military according to its own regulations and the Nuremberg Code. If you want to talk about legally distinct, that is a very important topic.

If you choose to take the vaccine, that is entirely acceptable provided you have been provided all the information that you need to make an informed decision, that may be more or less depending on the person. If you determine that you are not going to take the vaccine, you cannot be coerced, retaliated against, or otherwise diminished due to that choice. Even/especially in the military.

Going back to the attack on the writer of the article...read the article. It is very clear.
 
Humey said:
Well, obviously they are relevant to the cadet as you say because she mentioned them. And of course, since we are discussing her article these points will come up for discussion. When i say relevant, I mean in terms of we can debate the merits of natural immunity ( i believe in it up to point) and all of the other points she made, but in the end, the government/military has decided this is what they want.
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Humey, I agree at this point not a lot of arguing about who in the Army must get the shots. If the Army says get the shots, then you're getting the shots. I think part of the gist of her article was how she could not continue in an organization that she had trust issues with. For example:

When I raised the point that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration-approved vaccine (Pfizer’s Comirnaty) with the proper lot numbers had yet to be distributed in the United States, that the only available vaccines were under emergency use authorization and that vaccination must be voluntary under those conditions according to the Nuremberg Code, I was told this small legal distinction didn’t matter.

If you, as the cadet, know more about the process than the chain of command and are being coerced just because "we gotta check you holdouts off our list".....probably not a feel good. Are we a professional organization or not?
 
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