Why is USNA near the top of the list of “least happy colleges in America”?

Candidate39

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I want to attend the Naval Academy, and when I visited I thought most midshipmen seemed upbeat and friendly. Why is the academy ranked as one of the unhappiest colleges?

Thank you for your time.
 
I can not comment on a list but I can say for sure my Mid is very happy and grateful for the opportunity. It is a lot of work but you should understand that before attending. He researched and researched some more and was well aware of what he was getting into. It’s N*ot college! 😉
 
I want to attend the Naval Academy, and when I visited I thought most midshipmen seemed upbeat and friendly. Why is the academy ranked as one of the unhappiest colleges?

Thank you for your time.
Grads of the SAs all share some variation of this saying:
“It’s a bad place to be. It’s a great place to be from.”

It’s an immersion military experience - active duty - in a high-pressure, relentless grind. Mandatory stuff in every aspect of life. No blowing off class to sleep in. PT in miserable conditions at times. Little control over your personal time, over which you have little - compared to civilian universities. It is hard going.

Guaranteed a midshipman will spend a good amount of time being unhappy, exhausted, worried, etc. BUT - there are plenty of enjoyable times, exhilarating challenges, huge personal growth, crazy fun, a tremendous sense of pride and accomplishment at graduation/commissioning and a deep and lasting bond with classmates and lifetime friendships.

“Real Mids of Annapolis” may pop up soon to comment, but it’s a 3-day weekend, and they are either still in their racks or up doing something fun. Grads will pop up too.

You have to want this path and feel this is your place and your people.

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I want to attend the Naval Academy, and when I visited I thought most midshipmen seemed upbeat and friendly. Why is the academy ranked as one of the unhappiest colleges?

Thank you for your time.
Ranked where and by who? And ranked against civilian colleges? Or military colleges? How about a link so we can see what you have seen.

You met happy mids or plebs on your visit? I bet you did not visit in Feb when mine did. They had plebs telling them to not come here go somewhere else. It was a recruiting visit :)

They attended anyway. Graduated. Was miserable most of the time. Now they think it was the best decision they could have made

If my other kids or GKs asked me this question and said that being happy in college was their goal I’d suggest State, or U or Tech not a SA.
 
I wish they wanted 60 year olds to round out the brigade. I would go back and be unhappy again in a heartbeat!! I might even study a little harder, but I doubt I could have as much fun and enjoy such unequaled camaraderie and fellowship as I "endured" 40 years ago.
 
Every single one of those cadets/mids who call their SA a miserable place have the opportunity to leave at anytime prior to junior year. Only about 10% do. (The other 5% or so who depart do so involuntarily.) So what does that tell you?

Meanwhile, the competition to get into SAs is as intense as ever — even with unprecedented amounts of information out there, both negative and positive. What does that tell you?

Absolutely, in the moment, the vast majority of college students are much happier than cadets/mids. I teach at a flagship state university, so I see them everyday: They get to shuffle into class late, wearing sweatpants and hoodies pulled over their eyes. Many don’t do their homework, or the bare minimum. Some go carousing in the middle of the week, dropping into bed at 2am and waking up hungover. Don’t feel like going to class? Then don’t. Feel like heading elsewhere for the weekend as a freshman? Have at it. Join a sorority or fraternity? Sure. Take classes with a just a tiny bit of academic rigor? You’re prerogative! Yes, that’s what makes many college students happy.

After graduation, how many will head immediately into well-paying jobs worthy of their degree, with management oversight of a dozen people or more, of millions of dollars worth of materiel? How many will have the opportunity in five years to shift into jobs that others with twice as much experience might not be qualified to do? Or have the opportunity to go to graduate school without dropping a dime? And have a large, tight-knit network willing to truly help each other. Who’s usually happier then? I have a guess.
 
Obviously, the questionnaire didn’t include summer trainings. PROTRAMID. Off shore sailing up the coast. Army Navy rivalries. Or other super cool opportunities available to them.

It’s all about perspective. I know when my Mids are home, and engaging with their other college friends, the experiences my boys have leave their friends in awe. Not intentionally, it’s just reality. The opportunities cannot be matched.

Does all that equate into a checkmark in the ‘happiest college in America’ questionnaire? Yes for my guys. But the right questions have to be asked. Happiness is a relative term….
 
Obviously, the questionnaire didn’t include summer trainings. PROTRAMID. Off shore sailing up the coast. Army Navy rivalries. Or other super cool opportunities available to them.
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It may also be that they were asking mids who, because of Covid, lost out on PROTRAMID, had summer trainings canceled, had hard ROM for extended periods, had LRECs cancelled, etc., spent 8 hour on a bus to watch Army beat Navy in miserable conditions and then spend 8 more hours riding back.For example, my 2/C had all that happen, has never been on a surface craft larger than a YP, never been in a plane, never fired a weapon after plebe summer qualifications etc. Might not want to include his class in such surveys.
 
It may also be that they were asking mids who, because of Covid, lost out on PROTRAMID, had summer trainings canceled, had hard ROM for extended periods, had LRECs cancelled, etc., spent 8 hour on a bus to watch Army beat Navy in miserable conditions and then spend 8 more hours riding back.For example, my 2/C had all that happen, has never been on a surface craft larger than a YP, never been in a plane, never fired a weapon after plebe summer qualifications etc. Might not want to include his class in such surveys.
I hear ‘ya!! I feel ‘ya!! Same with my guys. My firstie is graduating with *literally* 3 training blocks. Over his whole USNA career. And two of them were his first summer.

But, absent the wonky couple of years they have been through, points are still the same.

And? Mine are still both happy.
 
I wrote about this previously. My daughter is a recruited athlete. She was asked to come down for a visit. I dropped her off having no idea how she would react. She met the coaches, got a tour, attended some classes with a team member, and attended practice. She came out of the gate beaming. She said, "I LOVE IT!" She was stunned how all the players were so happy.

I'm sure it is not the right fit for some folks, but for the motivated, engage, positive, ambitious folks, it is the supreme stepping stone. I hope my DD is able to fully qualify.
 
The military structure of USNA makes it notably un-fun compared to almost any other college.

In fact, I dislike most things during the ac year besides the people, language classes, and my sport (exaggeration, obviously.)
However, there is no place I’d rather be.
 
You’re asking an important question. It’s also a complicated one. I know exactly what ranking you’re talking about and honestly I was not surprised when I saw that a while back. Let me see if I can give you a useful answer.

First thing, and those goes for life in general and not just the Academy: People who seem cheery and upbeat are not necessarily happy. You’ll eventually understand this—Often you really have no idea how some people are feeling. People sometimes put on facades. Many people are inclined to conceal their negative emotion, and I’d say a lot midshipmen fall under that. So just because someone smiles on the outside, doesn’t mean they’re free of sorrow on the inside.

Now more to your question. The Naval Academy offers a prestigious degree, quality academic program, a guaranteed, relatively high-paying job immediately after graduation, with no tuition or room/board, full healthcare, and a small monthly stipend. I’m sure you’ve learned that in life there is no free lunch. Any deal like that is gonna come with some downsides, right? Otherwise everyone would be applying.

So what are those downsides? Simply put, loss of freedom and time. You are owned by the institution and are immersed in it for a minimum of 5 days a week, sometimes 6-7 days a week. No matter who you are, that can take a toll on you. While at civilian colleges students recieve warm welcomes, take 12 credits in whatever subjects interest them, and go out and branch out socially however much they want, as a mid you’ll be up before sunrise to muster for mandatory meal, take classes in the engineering curriculum regardless of your major, and be mandated to march in parades and attend lectures and sporting events. Your only respite comes on certain times of certain weekends. Lots of rules on what you can wear, where you can go, when you can drive, etc. If you want to see all the rules midshipmen have to abide by, do a google search for “Midshipmen Regulations”. That’s for all four years. During Plebe year, you’ll get talked down to a lot by some of the upperclass and will often be sleep deprived. So put any college-aged guy or gal in those conditions, and most probably aren’t gonna be too thrilled.

Now I don’t know a single person that likes those restrictions, and yet less than 10% of people leave voluntarily, which is a pretty interesting phenomenon. Everyone’s got their own reasons but here are some I’ve frequently observed. Part of it is sunk costs—Getting accepted and getting through Plebe Summer are a lot of work themselves even though they’re just the starting point and once you’re past that hump, might as well finish. A lot of people are also deathly afraid of disappointing their families by not sticking it out until the end. But there are positive reasons for staying too—Some people become best friends with their roommates and they get each other through it. Some people who are on a sports team get a lot of enjoyment from it. There’s also simply the longterm calculus that getting the degree and military experience is a great way to set one up for a successful career. I have many friends who’ve expressed regret over their choice to attend the Naval Academy, but they’re all about to graduate (In 96 days, but who’s counting) so apparently something made these last four years worth it.

Institutions are never as glamorous as they seem on the outside. Midshipmen start out idealistic, then disillusionment sets in and they either leave, or put their head down and grind it out for 4 years. Then when graduates get older and wiser, the nostalgia kicks in and their memory focuses on less the bad and more of the stuff got them through it. Conversely when you’re going through it, it’s so easy to complain and fixate on the bad.

So yes, it makes sense to me why we are ranked one of the most unhappy colleges due to the lifestyle which you don’t really appreciate until you’ve lived it. Just giving it to you straight based on talking to diverse cross sections of mids every day for the better part of four years. A lot of people don’t like it here, and it seems to me that this is by the institution’s design with the goal of building character. Truthfully I don’t know how valid this is given that you can commission through OCS and be just as good of an officer, but that is a conversation for another day.

If you are hyper-conscientious, thick-skinned, love sports and fitness, enjoy STEM classes, are willing to give up a lot of your freedom, and want to be surrounded by like-minded people, go to the Naval Academy. There are people like that here and they do well. I think that’s the type that the Academy really wants too. On the other hand if you want to dictate your own schedule, decide what activities to pursue and how to spend your time, you probably will sometimes feel unhappy at the Naval Academy. That said, a lot of people here fall under this category and still stay at the Academy, because it’s not all bad. There’s a nice sense of community here. I could lose my wallet a thousand times and it will always be returned to me untouched. It’s pretty cool that I can walz into a professor’s office outside of his scheduled office hours and he’ll eagerly give me help. And even the mids who are considered “lazy” are more hardworking than many of their civilian counterparts. I endured the annoying parts of the academy because in the end it’s where I was comfortable. A lot of life is about making sacrifices and difficult tradeoffs, and that’s what being a mid entails.

If you’re having doubts, I would sit down and think about what you really want out of your college experience, because IMO the only reason to attend a service academy is if you want that unique experience. You can still get a great education and become a military officer without excess debt by going to a civilian school, so to me that goal wouldn’t be enough of a reason to attend. To go to an Academy, ideally you should want to live the military culture and be willing to embrace a certain “BS factor” as well. If you don’t, you’ll learn to when you get here.
 
If you are hyper-conscientious, thick-skinned, love sports and fitness, enjoy STEM classes, are willing to give up a lot of your freedom, and want to be surrounded by like-minded people, go to the Naval Academy.
THIS!
A lot of life is about making sacrifices and difficult tradeoffs, and that’s what being a mid entails.
AND THIS!

Can we frame this post, please? Seriously!
 
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