NAPS 2024 Waitlist

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A1Janitor said:
People leave for various reasons, including ones who didn’t “threw it away and quit.”

It is unhealthy to have this mentality, imo.

The right mentality is improving the next time so your numbers make the cut.
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We don't need quitters leading our sons and daughters. My point is these people - the weak - took a spot from someone who actually wanted it.
 
Kentucky9 said:
The needs of the Navy? Isn’t it to support and defend the constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic? Needs of the Navy? If they are different than anything outside of the oath, where can I access them?

I understand they need a running back that can hold onto the football at the goal line, competitive NCAA teams (before they quit and transfer too), but at what point do you consider these little darlings grow up and honor their word? Honor their essay?
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The "needs of the Navy" is a non-sequitur because none of these kids will service select for another four years! The Navy has no idea whether these kids meet the needs of the Navy when they are offered an appointment.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
If you quit on day 1 or the first week into I-Doc, you obviously are the type of person we don't want leading our sailors and marines. We don't need quitters leading our sons and daughters.

Whether attrition is factored into admissions is a moot point. If you accepted an appointment, took your oath, only to quit, then you did in fact take a spot from someone else. There's no getting around that fact.
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Do you know for a fact that if one of those candidates that quit didn’t accept their offer, admissions would have given that offer to someone else? Like there was a minimum number that they were looking to appoint?
 
Kentucky9 said:
My child is inconsequential to Naval admissions. Hell he hasn’t received his white envelope yet.
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If your child is reapplying, my unsolicited advice:

1. Get straight A's in college. Don't listen to these people who say you have to take such and such classes. Take whatever classes your kid wants, just make sure he has a 4.0. They are going through thousands and thousands of applications and the filters are based on GPA, not classes. The grade is all that matters.

2. Retake the ACT / SAT and invest in tutoring for it.

3. Join ROTC. Walk on, be a college programmer.

4. Utilize the Elizabeth Warren strategy and check the box that is in demand. This is will be the extremely advantageous for at least the next two admissions cycles (until 2024).
 
A1Janitor said:
Do you know for a fact that if one of those candidates that quit didn’t accept their offer, admissions would have given that offer to someone else? Like there was a minimum number that they were looking to appoint?
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Yes, of course. How do I know this? Because there was a waiting list. That should tell you there were people WAITING to get an appointment should a spot open up.

This year's NAPS class was smaller than in past years, but there was still a waiting list.
 
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A1Janitor said:
Do you know for a fact that if one of those candidates that quit didn’t accept their offer, admissions would have given that offer to someone else? Like there was a minimum number that they were looking to appoint?
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Then the point of the waitlist would be? I would think due to attrition, they would cap out. But omniscient I am not.

I do hope admissions can provide counseling and transition services for those that chose to drop. Bless their little hearts.
 
severn said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Righteous admissions
Meritocracy rewards
Amuck do not need
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... easy to be an armchair quarterback... dissing out judgements on people left, right, center. You don't know squat unless you're in the trenches being evaluated while screamed/degraded. In SFQC, on the first day, I've seen three candidates quit not for hardship nor training but for missing ---> a girlfriend, family, and partying.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
If your child is reapplying, my unsolicited advice:

1. Get straight A's in college. Don't listen to these people who say you have to take such and such classes. Take whatever classes your kid wants, just make sure he has a 4.0. They are going through thousands and thousands of applications and the filters are based on GPA, not classes. The grade is all that matters.

2. Retake the ACT / SAT and invest in tutoring for it.

3. Join ROTC. Walk on, be a college programmer.

4. Utilize the Elizabeth Warren strategy and check the box that is in demand. This is will be the extremely advantageous for at least the next two admissions cycles (until 2024).
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This is horrible advice imo.

First, USNA.edu advice for reapplicants states:
  • If you are taking college or prep school courses, we suggest you take courses similar to those required of first-year midshipmen, such as calculus, chemistry, English, and history.
The people that give this advice on here are folks that know what they are talking about (not me - I am just an insignificant father), based on experience and knowledge.

The Elizabeth Warren strategy, while humorous to me, is off base. On one hand, we are talking about living up to your word and honesty, on the other hand we are recommending lying on an application.
 
This is the first year there is a waitlist that I have seen.

Is it a zero sum game? Does somebody declining their offer create a new spot for someone on the waitlist?

Is it a way to signify to candidates that just missed the cutoff that they could be called up? Do they tell the people on the waitlist what triggers a person being called up?
 
Kentucky9 said:
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Then the point of the waitlist would be? I would think due to attrition, they would cap out. But omniscient I am not.

I do hope admissions can provide counseling and transition services for those that chose to drop. Bless their little hearts.
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Exactly right.
 
A1Janitor said:
This is the first year there is a waitlist that I have seen.

Is it a zero sum game? Does somebody declining their offer create a new spot for someone on the waitlist?

Is it a way to signify to candidates that just missed the cutoff that they could be called up? Do they tell the people on the waitlist what triggers a person being called up?
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Nope, there have been waitlists before, nearly every year. Even this year, with a smaller class, had a wait list.

And no, they do not tell the people on the waitlist what triggers a person being called up.
 
A1Janitor said:
This is horrible advice imo.

First, USNA.edu advice for reapplicants states:
  • If you are taking college or prep school courses, we suggest you take courses similar to those required of first-year midshipmen, such as calculus, chemistry, English, and history.
The people that give this advice on here are folks that know what they are talking about (not me - I am just an insignificant father), based on experience and knowledge.

The Elizabeth Warren strategy, while humorous to me, is off base. On one hand, we are talking about living up to your word and honesty, on the other hand we are recommending lying on an application.
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"We suggest" ≠ We require

I too am giving advice based on experience and knowledge.

The Elizabeth Warren strategy is completely legitimate. Take advantage of it. Look at the directives of the Pentagon. I'm sure you have 1/2024 of something in vogue.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
"We suggest" ≠ We require

I too am giving advice based on experience and knowledge.

The Elizabeth Warren strategy is completely legitimate. Take advantage of it. Look at the directives of the Pentagon. I'm sure you have 1/2024 of something in vogue.
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Kentucky9 said:
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Bingo.

And here's the guy nominated for the Joint Chiefs of Staff...

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‘I hire for diversity’: Biden Joint Chiefs chairman nominee placed DEI at 'forefront' as Air Force leader

Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., Biden's nominee for chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, has a history of prioritizing diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives.
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Goodness.

Every year, at every SA, there WILL be people who leave. It’s a given and a known. It’s just not known who those few, are. Nor are there screeners that can catch a person that will leave, in the application process. No test for that.

The attrition is built in. It does NOT MEAN that your person would have received the spot. The waitlist is there to create the class of 100 (of which xx will drop). We are picking these 100 kids. To meet class building goals.

If a candidate wants to reapply, take this year to follow guidance from the applicable SA. And knock it out of the ballpark. Who knows, they may end up with an appointment to the SA…and not a prep offer. Putting them on the same timeline they would have been in with a NAPS offer.

Bashing in negativity doesn’t accomplish anything. USNA has a method and formula that has worked for a really, really long time, to produce Naval and Marine Officers.

Good luck to both of your people, should they choose to reapply.
 
justdoit19 said:
Goodness.

Every year, at every SA, there WILL be people who leave. It’s a given and a known. It’s just not known who those few, are. Nor are there screeners that can catch a person that will leave, in the application process. No test for that.

The attrition is built in. It does NOT MEAN that your person would have received the spot. The waitlist is there to create the class of 100 (of which xx will drop). We are picking these 100 kids. To meet class building goals.

If a candidate wants to reapply, take this year to follow guidance from the applicable SA. And knock it out of the ballpark. Who knows, they may end up with an appointment to the SA…and not a prep offer. Putting them on the same timeline they would have been in with a NAPS offer.

Bashing in negativity doesn’t accomplish anything. USNA has a method and formula that has worked for a really, really long time, to produce Naval and Marine Officers.

Good luck to both of your people, should they choose to reapply.
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Goodness,

Of course attrition is built in. That is a moot point. And no one is saying that MY kid or Kentucky9's would have definitely received the spot. But SOME KID would have! That is the point.

The point is these quitters took a spot from someone who actually wanted it.
 
A1Janitor said:
This is horrible advice imo.

First, USNA.edu advice for reapplicants states:
  • If you are taking college or prep school courses, we suggest you take courses similar to those required of first-year midshipmen, such as calculus, chemistry, English, and history.
The people that give this advice on here are folks that know what they are talking about (not me - I am just an insignificant father), based on experience and knowledge.

The Elizabeth Warren strategy, while humorous to me, is off base. On one hand, we are talking about living up to your word and honesty, on the other hand we are recommending lying on an application.
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I would argue that someone willing to check a box when they haven’t lived that experience is in opposition to the Navy’s Core Values, specifically Honor, in addition to being wrong on so many other levels.
 
blhenrywalpole said:
Goodness,

Of course attrition is built in. That is a moot point. And no one is saying that MY kid or Kentucky9's would have definitely received the spot. But SOME KID would have! That is the point.

The point is these quitters took a spot from someone who actually wanted it.
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No. Two different things. Ill try and explain it again.

Say they take 100. Of which 10 will leave via attrition. The one ‘taking the spot’ is at the time of appointment. Not after. There will be 10 that leave no matter what. A very simplified example.

Every single one of the 100 appointed, ‘took a spot from someone who wanted it’ (as you put it).
 
justdoit19 said:
No. Two different things. Ill try and explain it again.

Say they take 100. Of which 10 will leave via attrition. The one ‘taking the spot’ is at the time of appointment. Not after. There will be 10 that leave no matter what. A very simplified example.

Every single one of the 100 appointed, ‘took a spot from someone who wanted it’ (as you put it).
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Of course the academy knows there will be attrition. They know, with pretty good accuracy, what percentage that will be. Again, that is a moot point.

Here again is the point using your example. Those 10 who quit, took the spots from candidates 101-110 when they accepted their appointments. Candidates 101-110 would have been "next up" and offered appointments if 10 from the 100 just declined their appointments to begin with. Instead, they accepted it, then quit, thereby denying candidates 101-110 the ability to receive appointments.

This isn't rocket surgery. Those quitters took spots from someone else.
 
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blhenrywalpole said:
If your child is reapplying, my unsolicited advice:

1. Get straight A's in college. Don't listen to these people who say you have to take such and such classes. Take whatever classes your kid wants, just make sure he has a 4.0. They are going through thousands and thousands of applications and the filters are based on GPA, not classes. The grade is all that matters.

2. Retake the ACT / SAT and invest in tutoring for it.

3. Join ROTC. Walk on, be a college programmer.

4. Utilize the Elizabeth Warren strategy and check the box that is in demand. This is will be the extremely advantageous for at least the next two admissions cycles (until 2024).
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Please do not follow this guidance. Please talk with your admissions rep and your BGO/AC for guidance that comes directly from admissions. Yes, retake the ACT/SAT, if recommended (in most cases it is), if ROTC is available, it’s a good option.
 
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