Disenrollment or PRB

He does not mind serving, I heard that getting a disenrollment attorney was a waste of $$ being that they can not say anything in the PRB or even advise him.

He picked up his Student Loan Packet 8700 for summer school alone. Now he is thinking of DOR as this will be in his name. I am still paying on student loans from 2003 from Grad School I am not sure I even want to take out a Parent Plus loan for 20k fall semester. I am fighting with that as well.

He spoke to the LT and he informed him he has to go to PRB due to the failure 2xs. He can help his case by passing and bringing up GPA over summer but LOA is likley. When he informed him that if he goes on LOA it may be to costly and (parents) may not foot the bill. They basically told him to apply to other schools. Which means he would need to DOR anyway. Since he can't transfer his scholarship not in good standing.

I wonder can he go LOA at another school and transfer back in. I mean they aren't paying for it. I want to call the LT but I'm not trying to be that parent.
 
Has he tried to appeal the grade? Maybe ask the professor that he is at risk of disenrollment from his life long dream, the school, nrotc etc, and perhaps give his final a second glance? If couched nicely, you never know.

Lastly, I recently spoke with Mr. Domek, at domek law. He is former military lawyer- it can't hurt to consult with one- the consultation is usually free with most of them.
 
MsBCT said:
I heard that getting a disenrollment attorney was a waste of $$ being that they can not say anything in the PRB or even advise him.
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There are many more reasons to speak to an attorney then just the disenrollment process. If your son leaves the program the most likely outcome will be reimbursement of the scholarship to date, this is where having the attorney on board will be needed the most. When the Navy asks for the money back they will give a very short time frame for repayment, the attorney will be needed to help negotiate a longer payment schedule, the max I've seen granted has been 10 years and that was with an attorney's help. Reading your original post you mentioned that he would need a loan of 25K for the next semester, if 25K per semester is what the Navy has been paying then your son could be on the hook for for around 100K in reimbursement. This is where you will need the attorney's help in negotiating a final payback number and the length of the payback period.
 
Is there ANY chance that DS is do this on purpose, to get out of his commitment? Either consciously or subconsciously? Not that it really matters, other than how to proceed in the future. Being a devils advocate here...but either way, it’s imperative to set this all up for the best outcome. Via legal help, IMO.
 
I don't believe her is failing Calculus intentionally. He has always been a perfectionist when it came to his grades.

I will consult with an attorney tomorrow.

He is going to take the summer school loans, he does not want to quit. They will do the PRB in the summer. He is already on Academic probation from failing Calculus last semester. He thinks if he can knock it out in Summer they won't put him on LOA. I believe they will.

Taking out 20k in the Fall and he may not pass Calc 2 and then get is disenrolled then he has to pay Navy and Fed Loan services. He said he knows it is his fault and asked me not to stress but it is hard not to.
 
In addition to calc this summer, is there any way he can take an “easy” class to boost his GPA? Lots of MIDN in my unit do this during the school year (ie: tier 1 majors taking an intro to communications class) in order to stay above the 2.5 commitment.

As a current Tier 3 Political Science major, I barely got a D in Physics II. That was after lots of studying and unit tutor sessions. I also choose to give up two extra curriculars in order to focus solely on that one class because I knew how important it was for my scholarship. I also took easy intro classes for classes outside my major during the that semester to boost my GPA to ensure I got over a 2.5.

I know how tough your MIDN must be working, but at this stage it is really how much they want it. Putting in extra hours, especially during the summer, is key to success. Good luck to them.
 
MsBCT said:
I thought that he needed a C to pass Calculus. He failed with a D and was informed he needed to repeat the class.
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I thought so, too (I think I had read it in these forums), but the CO of the unit said that D was a passing grade, and so my son was considered to have passed the course. He would need higher grades if he wanted to go for Nuclear Sub, but he does not.

This might be helpful: https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/nstc/NSTC_Directives/forms_17/Appendix B.pdf
 
Is it 12K-8K for just the calculus class?

I'm paying only $190 for a 4 credit calculus III class. Granted it's at my local college.

I understand that calc I and II have to be at the institution, but try to look for an online class. It's cheaper, and from my past experiences of taking summer classes online, they're great. Granted you have to stay accountable for your work, but it provides flexibility for other activities, as well as self pacing yourself. However, of what I know, either students are awful with online classes and need a classroom, or they thrive with online classes. I, in particular, feel they are great and an easy A.
 
KuzNROTC said:
Is it 12K-8K for just the calculus class?
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The OP stated that it was a private college.

Just for an example of private college tuition, Stanford University for a 3 unit undergraduate class is $8,641 for a summer session, while living on campus. ($4,692 if commuting from off-campus).
source: https://summer.stanford.edu/tuition-and-fees

Compare this to tuition at a California Community college as a resident is $46 per unit or about $138.00 per 3 unit class.
Source: http://www.laspositascollege.edu/admissions/fees.php
 
I understood the DS attends a private college. I also attend a private university, but we hang around $4,000 for a 3 unit class. However, usually there are tuition discounts for taking summer courses. For example, my college half's the tuition if students choose to do summer school, and I know public universities that do the same as well. I would try to look into tuition discounts as well, if there are any for taking summer classes at the MIDN school.
 
@KuzNROTC The $190 for a summer course at a private school is an outstanding deal. I think every private college approaches summer session a little differently, and substantial aid may be offered liberally to matriculated students, especially to schools with heavy endowments.
 
learningNavymom said:
MsBCT said:
I thought that he needed a C to pass Calculus. He failed with a D and was informed he needed to repeat the class.
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I thought so, too (I think I had read it in these forums), but the CO of the unit said that D was a passing grade, and so my son was considered to have passed the course. He would need higher grades if he wanted to go for Nuclear Sub, but he does not.

This might be helpful: https://www.public.navy.mil/netc/nstc/NSTC_Directives/forms_17/Appendix B.pdf
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So I looked in my DS handbook he received freshman year. A letter grade requirement for Calculus or Physics was not included. From what I understand, a D is still passing at the University level. It might be worth digging into as to whether or not a C is the NROTC requirement. I actually thought it was also until I saw this post. The hiccup could be GPA. According to the handbook, a Midshipman must have a cumulative GPA of 2.0 and must obtain a semester 2.5 or higher to be in good standing. Without knowing all the details, I would refer back to the handbook to determine what it says about course requirements. If it does not outline a specific grade for calculus, I would talk to CO about what is passing. I think the OP indicated that other classes were fine...I would check the impact on cumulative and semester GPA. If GPA is an issue, someone else recommended taking another 'easier' classes over summer to help boost the GPA...definitely a consideration.
My DS had a friend who didn't make weight and had to go before the PRB, his LT said it would most likely result in a LOA. It wound up probation and this student met weight within 2 weeks at the make up PRT...my point is, I think they try to present worst case scenario, which is exactly what you should be hearing so as to prepare, but it is your DS future and my experience has been that the Unit isn't out to get you. I also know that you mentioned he talked to the LT...and yes, I always advocate Chain of Command, but this might be worth a sit down with the CO. Our CO meets with every Midshipman every semester to see how things are going. It might be overdue but it might be time. I would also check to see if alternatives such as taking the class at another school is completely ruled out. My DS took Diff EQ at another school and transferred it in. I would definitely look at every single option before making a decision.
 
The school and the Navy requires a C for Calculus. They require that any class you fail at the school you must take at the school. The School's tuition is 3-9 units is 8k so he can take more classes. He was on academic probation last year for Calculus. Now he has failed again so now he will also be on Academic Probation with the school and the Navy. He also has a waiver for not being done with Calculus by the beginning of his Jr. Yr. This Calc class is preventing him from taking his other required classes. Talked to Financial Aid and they won't allow him or me to take out loans for the summer because he failed the class twice and they said Federal Loans won't be offered to him. My son has never quit in his life, I know he does not want to give up but at this rate the PRB will not be favorable and I need to prepare him for dis-enrollment.
 
MsBCT said:
The school and the Navy requires a C for Calculus. They require that any class you fail at the school you must take at the school. The School's tuition is 3-9 units is 8k so he can take more classes. He was on academic probation last year for Calculus. Now he has failed again so now he will also be on Academic Probation with the school and the Navy. He also has a waiver for not being done with Calculus by the beginning of his Jr. Yr. This Calc class is preventing him from taking his other required classes. Talked to Financial Aid and they won't allow him or me to take out loans for the summer because he failed the class twice and they said Federal Loans won't be offered to him. My son has never quit in his life, I know he does not want to give up but at this rate the PRB will not be favorable and I need to prepare him for dis-enrollment.
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Has he tried to reach out to the professor of the class to see about getting a second look at his exam? Maybe a nicely worded email about his nrotc duties and see if ther is any ay prof can look over semester work to see if there is a way to change the grade? Or speak with the dept head? Feel free to private message me. Good luck, I empathize. My DD has to really do well on a summer class or she may be in same boat.
 
MsBCT said:
Thank you all. The school requires he repeat the class there since he failed it there.

I never thought my son would fail a class. He never even received a C in High School or I would not have allowed him to go to this Private School.

It is 8K for summer school. I am not sure how to advise him.

I am thinking maybe allow them to disenroll him and maybe that will allow him and enlistment option versus recoupment. I was thinking if he request to disenroll they won't like that. They know he is failing he is up front. He was on academic probation last semester for the first failure of Calculus.

If they disenroll him and request recoupment does that prevent him from enlistment in the Navy or another Branch of service? He meets all other requirements he is doing really well in PT and he is medically fit. They like him overall but I know, he knows and they know he is just not meeting the requirements of his contract.
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Hi, tried to pm you, but you’re not able to get them yet. If you could reach out to me at i_swim21@yahoo.com
Maybe can help you brainstorm or commiserate. Hope you have a happy mother’s day.
 
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