NROTC New Student Indoctrination

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Do any NSI grads, or those who may now them, have any insight as to what NSI is like? What to expect each day, mistakes to not make, and just generally things that would be helpful to know and or have down by the time you report to Great Lakes?
 
Do any NSI grads, or those who may now them, have any insight as to what NSI is like? What to expect each day, mistakes to not make, and just generally things that would be helpful to know and or have down by the time you report to Great Lakes?
Research prior posts - lots of details. Overall - come in fit, and mentally resolved that you will not quit - no matter how tired you are, no matter how you were at a breaking point six hours ago, and you have six hours ahead of you before lights out. Be ready to learn, be ready to work with others in a team to complete a high number of tasks. Be ready to memorize and recite. Be as prepared as you can to not stick out for anything but top performance. It's a grind, with long days and nights. Look up Great lakes boot camp videos on youtube to get a sense of what you will walk into - starting on minute one. Be ready to deal with mental and at times physical exhaustion. Do not come in overconfident - that in early years of the program seemed to be a top killer of participants. If you're among the candidates who know they've let their physical condition lapse since taking the PRT / maybe finishing up a fall sport, do not wait until April to get it in high gear - start now. Each year (the ceremonies are public/ posted) you see a number of terribly out of shape persons who probably fudged the PRT scores struggle, some of which do not make it- the others have a lot of individualized attention on them and again, you don't want to stand out unless it's for outstanding performance. Don't start out with that disadvantage. Keep your mouth shut unless directed to not do so - again in speaking with medics and NROTC Mids who returned as leaders there are people who just feel the need to pushback when getting "instruction" and it doesn't go well. Follow the packing list and instructions for how to bring funds with you to the letter. ensure your bloodwork, medical information is processed long before it is needed. Bring a backup copy of that too.
 
Above is great advice. Come in physically prepared and ready to just do what you are told. Understand that there will be times when you will be put is stressful situations that seem impossible. Do not get frustrated. Take everything one task at a time. Focus on the short term, and the long term stuff (finishing to the end) will take care of themselves. NSI is not about finishing first. Its not a race to win. It is a marathon to complete with your teammates. Be a good teammate and just get through it.
 
You will get yelled at. Dont take it personal. Fix your mistake and move on. My son was in shape from playing hockey, so he breezed through the physical aspects of NSI. Show improvement from your previous PRTs. He said that the instructors look for teamwork and motivation. Those that have attitudes will be identified quickly. It is a 3 week mini-boot camp, so there is light at the end of the tunnel from day 1.
 
Is it recommended to know the General Orders of the Sentry and similar memorization items prior to arrival, or is learning those types of things at NSI part of the experience?
 
Based on what DS told me about when he did it he went from crying in his bunk the first night to mildly enjoying it by the end. Attitude is everything and it helps if you come in fit and able to run a 1st class PFT.
 
Don't be above 6 foot 5, and learn how to shower quickly. The last thing you want is to know what happens next. Just show up in great shape and don't quit. It's only like 17 days, but it certainly feels long. Don't let less than a month of suck prevent you from reaching your goals.
 
Hi, former MI (Midshipman Instructor) here from one of last year's NSI cycles. Everyone above has already given solid advice, I just wanna add on and share my perspective on this. Of course, while I could break the whole three weeks down day by day, that ruins the actual experience of being placed in a new and unfamiliar environment.

NSI is hard. It is supposed to be difficult, and you will make mistakes. It is designed to make you experience failure so we can see how you deal with challenging and unfamiliar situations, and to see how and if you correct yourself. Yes, you will get yelled at, but it's not personal - unless you have some serious attitude problems. 'Pushback', poor attitude, and cockiness are what will actually cause problems. Make sure you have a good reason in your head for why you're there before you go - if you don't, you'll find it there.

You've already been told to 'not stick out.' I'm gonna expand on that a little bit and clarify what it means because I've seen plenty of candidates who take the wrong approach. This does not mean don't put out or try your hardest, because the instructors will notice. As a candidate, you simply do not want to attract any individual attention or 'special instruction' from your instructors. I would recommend not studying material beforehand - you will learn it at NSI, and I can guarantee your MIs will make your life miserable for 'trying to show off.'

NSI is a team game. You win as a team, and you lose as a team. If one person fails, your whole compartment will face the consequences. Physical fitness is important, but there is not a whole lot of emphasis placed on it. Show up on Day 1 ready to ace the PRT, and you'll be fine. Also, get enough sleep while you are there. Candidates are given sufficient time to sleep, they just choose not to for one reason or another.
 
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Hi, former MI (Midshipman Instructor) here from one of last year's NSI cycles. Everyone above has already given solid advice, I just wanna add on and share my perspective on this. Of course, while I could break the whole three weeks down day by day, that ruins the actual experience of being placed in a new and unfamiliar environment.

NSI is hard. It is supposed to be difficult, and you will make mistakes. It is designed to make you experience failure so we can see how you deal with challenging and unfamiliar situations, and to see how and if you correct yourself. Yes, you will get yelled at, but it's not personal - unless you have some serious attitude problems. 'Pushback', poor attitude, and cockiness are what will actually cause problems. Make sure you have a good reason in your head for why you're there before you go - if you don't, you'll find it there.

You've already been told to 'not stick out.' I'm gonna expand on that a little bit and clarify what it means because I've seen plenty of candidates who take the wrong approach. This does not mean don't put out or try your hardest, because the instructors will notice. As a candidate, you simply do not want to attract any individual attention or 'special instruction' from your instructors. I would recommend not studying material beforehand - you will learn it at NSI, and I can guarantee your MIs will make your life miserable for 'trying to show off.'

NSI is a team game. You win as a team, and you lose as a team. If one person fails, your whole compartment will face the consequences. Physical fitness is important, but there is not a whole lot of emphasis placed on it. Show up on Day 1 ready to ace the PRT, and you'll be fine. Also, get enough sleep while you are there. Candidates are given sufficient time to sleep, they just choose not to for one reason or another.
I already know my 11 Orders to the Sentry, Armed Drill Manual, how to pass an inspection etc . Not because I studied it independently, but it was required of me as I was in JROTC. So should I for lack of better words, "forget" all that or otherwise pretend to not know any of it so as not to appear as a show off?
 
I already know my 11 Orders to the Sentry, Armed Drill Manual, how to pass an inspection etc . Not because I studied it independently, but it was required of me as I was in JROTC. So should I for lack of better words, "forget" all that or otherwise pretend to not know any of it so as not to appear as a show off?
You can simultaneously best prepare yourself but also not be a show off... I'd definitely be buying reef points early if I went to USNA, why not go in ready to lead?
 
You can simultaneously best prepare yourself but also not be a show off... I'd definitely be buying reef points early if I went to USNA, why not go in ready to lead?
That was my thought process. I figured most MCs would be studying the basic stuff, just like they are preparing for PT... At least that was what seemed most prudent to me. My intention was to use all my experience to help the other MCs out, because Lord knows that its a pain in the butt to memoerize all that stuff in such a short period of time.
 
You can simultaneously best prepare yourself but also not be a show off... I'd definitely be buying reef points early if I went to USNA, why not go in ready to lead?
That was my thought process. I figured most MCs would be studying the basic stuff, just like they are preparing for PT... At least that was what seemed most prudent to me. My intention was to use all my experience to help the other MCs out, because Lord knows that its a pain in the butt to memoerize all that stuff in such a short period of time.
Being prepared is good, but don't over prepare. You might have previous experience, but do you have previous experience in completing the tasks how the MI's want you to do it? You might think you do, but you could be wrong. NSI is not about you having a opportunity to lead. You are there to learn how to follow. Often in stressful situations. You can learn all you want to before NSI, but be prepared to unlearn alot of it if the MI's tell you different. As said before...be a good teammate and just get through it. NSI will be life changing for most MC's at the time, but in the grand scheme of your future career, it is a very small stepping stone.
 
I already know my 11 Orders to the Sentry, Armed Drill Manual, how to pass an inspection etc . Not because I studied it independently, but it was required of me as I was in JROTC. So should I for lack of better words, "forget" all that or otherwise pretend to not know any of it so as not to appear as a show off?
Others nicely responded that you can be well prepared without being a showoff. I will share that in the beginning iterations of NSI, there were a number of candidates who were prior top dogs at JROTC, with medals and ribbons out the wazoo, sky-high confidence, who walked around like they were already Rear Admirals/destined to be one soon, and these candidates DOR'd/ quit because they came in overconfident they were better prepared than the average participant. Some of their parents proudly put up their pictures in a facebook group, showing them with 15 medals etc. One of the Mom's from the SE. who's DS dropped by the way within a week of this comment btw, shared with my wife that she'll be praying for our son to get through (knock knock, who's there? Arrogance, that's who). All JROTC parents seemed to be expecting with a certainty that their young adults would dominate NSI/ NROTC. This is not a sprint, but a marathon over approx 3 weeks that few been challenged that long/ intensely previously in their young lives. It's one thing to excel in a 4 hour window, or triple sessions in football for a week, or even a 2 day event. It's another to grind it out / be under this intensity for say 21 days in a row. I share this caution as I feel those with a military interest and accomplishment should be armed with the right information so that you DO succeed and soon stand shoulder to shoulder as leaders with other members of the Navy's fighting force. I want the best to thrive - so, just consider this feedback as you consider your approach. Seek to survive in NSI, be a good teammate, and get through it. Not everyone who starts will finish, and that is ok, but sometimes pretty sad to see. Good luck.
 
You can simultaneously best prepare yourself but also not be a show off... I'd definitely be buying reef points early if I went to USNA, why not go in ready to lead?
Plebes that finished Reef Points somehow would get Ships and Aircraft instead. You bet they held the book in the same position on the bulkhead.

Everyone will get broken down, somehow, some way.

The best thing to do is to be humble, take failure in stride, and recognize that your individual success is the last thing that matters.

That applies now, as a MIDN, and later as an officer. I've seen what happens to LTs that never learned that humility, and it's really not good. They run into an XO or CO somewhere that will impart that humility in a not very comfortable manner.
 
Plebes that finished Reef Points somehow would get Ships and Aircraft instead. You bet they held the book in the same position on the bulkhead.

Everyone will get broken down, somehow, some way.

The best thing to do is to be humble, take failure in stride, and recognize that your individual success is the last thing that matters.

That applies now, as a MIDN, and later as an officer. I've seen what happens to LTs that never learned that humility, and it's really not good. They run into an XO or CO somewhere that will impart that humility in a not very comfortable manner.
You’re right, and there’s a lot of intangibles that are important to be a good follower and leader, which cannot be simply learned from a book. It wasn’t my intention to encourage egotistical ‘help’ or overconfidence, but I do think someone can prepare to the best of their ability. To your point, yep, I’ve seen firsthand what people that come into an organization thinking they know it all do (they fail).
 
I already know my 11 Orders to the Sentry, Armed Drill Manual, how to pass an inspection etc . Not because I studied it independently, but it was required of me as I was in JROTC. So should I for lack of better words, "forget" all that or otherwise pretend to not know any of it so as not to appear as a show off?
Once again, NSI is a team game. You can (and should) leverage your knowledge to help your fellow candidates and ensure they perform well. You won't be faulted for knowing things beforehand or having some experience with JROTC, but you will then be expected to use what you know to help your peers. Additionally, if your knowledge allows you and your fellow candidates to succeed in certain areas of NSI, the MIs will find something you don't know or aren't good at and break you down using that.

A word of caution, you will most likely have to unlearn some things that have become almost second nature to you in JROTC. It's part of the process, and understand that while JROTC is a good starting point, it is not the determining factor for success at NSI. I've seen plenty of DORs from candidates who arrived thinking they were smarter/more prepared than their peers.

As cliche and straightforward as this sounds, the secret to NSI is to simply never quit. If you continue believing that you can make it through, you will.
 
Copy All and thanks for the advice from everyone. My main take aways: Don't be "that guy" who thinks hes better than everyone else simply by merit of knowing stuff prior. Don't stand out. You wont be faulted for knowing things prior, but will be for showing off. MIs will break MCs down eventually, just a matter of how. Most importantly, dont quit.
 
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