Academies Aware of MOC Nomination Procedures?

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Dadx4

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When an academy reviews a candidate from a highly competitive district, do they take into consideration that the candidate was limited to only one possible nomination?
 
Jarhead713 said:
If you don't mind me asking, how is this possible?
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In some districts, Senators and MOCs talk and coordinate, so that only one nomination to one service academy is possible. I'm just curious if the service academies take this into consideration when there are candidates from other districts who compete on 2 or 3 slates at more than one academy. I know "it is what it is" and we have no control over the process. Just wondering if at the Board, they say, "oh candidate X is from (highly competitive) District Y, so they naturally should only have one nomination."
 
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They are trying to build their appointments off of their needs.

You only need one nomination. I don’t know the numbers - but I suspect most appointments go to single nominations.

You only need one. If you are on one slate and there is a better candidate for their needs, you will go to the national pool and fight it out against the others that didn’t win their slate.

If you have one ... the chips will fall where they fall. You are still in the game.

My son had one in a state where the senators asked him if he already had a nom.
 
A1Janitor said:
You only need one nomination.
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Right. But, let's say a candidate loses their only slate competition in a very competitive district. Does the number of nominations for each individual candidate factor into the NWL rankings at all, or can it act as a tiebreaker? I know it doesn't affect WCS. But can a higher number of nominations serve as an intangible benefit?
 
Dadx4 said:
Right. But, let's say a candidate loses their only slate competition in a very competitive district. Does the number of nominations for each individual candidate factor into the NWL rankings at all, or can it act as a tiebreaker? I know it doesn't affect WCS. But can a higher number of nominations serve as an intangible benefit?
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I don’t know how or why that would or could matter. Someone else can answer it that knows.

Your WCS is your WCS. People with multiple noms in competitive districts and states are more than likely to have competitive WCS.

Sounds like a topic you shouldn’t even consider.
 
Dadx4 said:
Have always been curious about the nomination process and how it might factor indirectly into selections from the NWL.
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I don’t think it factors at all. Maybe I am wrong.

But if there is someone in NWL with multiple noms ... the number of noms won’t matter. But the record that got him those noms will be competitive.
 
From @USMA 1994 on this topic previously..

"The first 150 appointments know as qualified alternates are pulled from the NWL in rank order using the WCS. After that, the academy can pick and chose from the NWL as they see fit to fill the class with what is called additional appointees. These are typically LOA holders that didn't get a nomination , athletes, diversity candidates, sponsored prep, etc."
 
Also from @USMA 1994..

"the number of nominations do not impact your WCS and admissions does not usually publish what they are looking at for the Additional Appointees but the most accepted opinion is that the number of nominations is not considered as it is not really a reflection of the candidate." Are there other opinions?
 
Maybe look at it from a different angle, if you are in a super competitive district, and you don’t win the slate, seemingly the candidate’s WCS would be high (assuming highly competitive district) and would potentially push that candidate higher than a candidate from a “less competitive” slate. Now, that doesn’t take into account that there may be a couple of extremely competitive candidates in that less than competitive slate... in the end, control what you can control, seek to become 3 Q’d with a nom and ride the coaster from there.
 
Dadx4 said:
Right. But, let's say a candidate loses their only slate competition in a very competitive district. Does the number of nominations for each individual candidate factor into the NWL rankings at all, or can it act as a tiebreaker? I know it doesn't affect WCS. But can a higher number of nominations serve as an intangible benefit?
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Yes it gives the academy more opportunities to slot the candidate. Also there are candidates who have several nominations to the same academy from different sources. At USNA we encourage every candidate to apply for every possible nomination.
 
Don’t forget diversity and geography fit into the equation not just the top WCS after the 150. IE a minority or female could have a lower WCS than someone else yet for reasons unknown to the general public get offered an appointment. This is not to open a can if worms. It is not a political statement or anything else. This is why the academies hold the curtain closed and keep the process private.
 
ThePatternisFull said:
Yes it gives the academy more opportunities to slot the candidate. Also there are candidates who have several nominations to the same academy from different sources. At USNA we encourage every candidate to apply for every possible nomination.
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I thought the NWL was after the other slots were assigned.
 
Say MD district 7 (if there is one) has two candidates on the same slate with WCS’s very close. The academy can offer an appointment to both and charge only one appointment to MD district 7 and the other appointment is charged to Wyoming district 2. Why? WY district 2 did not have any candidates apply. This is the puzzle being put together by the admissions staff and board. Every year is different
 
ThePatternisFull said:
Say MD district 7 (if there is one) has two candidates on the same slate with WCS’s very close. The academy can offer an appointment to both and charge only one appointment to MD district 7 and the other appointment is charged to Wyoming district 2. Why? WY district 2 did not have any candidates apply. This is the puzzle being put together by the admissions staff and board. Every year is different
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But is that done before or after the 150 NWL?
 
A1Janitor said:
I thought the NWL was after the other slots were assigned.
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I don’t know when NWL is in the process? Logic would say after all MIC’s slits are filled. But again could be anytime. The entire process is very fluid and changes up to and sometimes right before plebes take oath of office. on I-Day there have been appointments offered and accepted! Sounds crazy!
 
ThePatternisFull said:
IE a minority or female could have a lower WCS than someone else yet for reasons unknown to the general public get offered an appointment.
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Makes sense. I believe that subjective factors should be considered. Would love to be a fly on the wall behind the curtain. :)
 
ThePatternisFull said:
Say MD district 7 (if there is one) has two candidates on the same slate with WCS’s very close. The academy can offer an appointment to both and charge only one appointment to MD district 7 and the other appointment is charged to Wyoming district 2. Why? WY district 2 did not have any candidates apply. This is the puzzle being put together by the admissions staff and board. Every year is different
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Wait...what?! Isn't the congressional district tied to the candidate's residence? How can this be true under the law?
 
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