Anti-Affirmative Group Sues Naval Academy

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Anti-affirmative action group sues Naval Academy over race-based admissions policies | CNN Politics

The US Naval Academy was sued Thursday over its use of race in its admissions practices by the same anti-affirmative action group whose lawsuits against Harvard and the University of North Carolina led the Supreme Court to declare race-based admissions policies unlawful earlier this year.
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... so here are some stats 2023 to 2027.
Year/Class Size/White.
2027/1175/633.
2026/1184/676.
2025/1183/672.
2024/1194/855.
2023/1181/696.
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... so where do I begin, highly charge issue. Since we're all anonymous here and probably have a kid(s) in the yard, I'll start with my .02 cents. Apologized in advance if I sound off with political incorrect views. I'm going to use my DS '26 as an example. If this knuckle head Anti-Affirmative Group wins, then the follow on class size will be loaded with prep school grads from all over with tuition from K-12 to the tune of $25,000-63,000 annually. I know this for a fact because my DS has a roommate in HS who paid for a shoe costing $2000.00. Also, one of his classmates travels in a private jet. With my DS, I paid for tutoring in Physics, Chemistry, Calculus. For SAT, he took 5 total starting in Sophomore year. There's also a SAT prep course every Saturday for 4 hours. Why I did this?? I was in Iraq when he was 3 years old. Daily, one of my duties was to enter two hardcore villages, as in crazy hardcore insurgents. My lead vehicle was a M1 Abrams Main Battle Tank. My friend, a tanker, labelled the area as a "target rich environment." Make the long story short, I basically accepted death daily. So I promised myself if I make it home alive that I will take care of DS no matter what the cost... by the way he is visiting this weekend after the six week exams, so lots of cooking in the house.
 
My son went to public school. I don't contribute to any political party, other than paying taxes so they can run on an annual $2.2 trillion deficit. He commissioned from USNA in the top 10% of his class.
 
severn said:
then the follow on class size will be loaded with prep school grads
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Not sure how this follows. Why do you think the tiny population of prep school grads would overpopulate the service academies? Our son graduated from one of the storied schools and was the only student in his class who even applied. In that cohort, many considered going into the military as a waste of the prep school education. More than one person joked to us when he accepted his appointment, "What happened? Did you run out of money?" We sure didn't see his choice coming.

But, I do remember clearly the speech by the headmaster during opening days his freshman year. The head looked across the new class and gravely said, "No one in this room had better dare consume over a quarter million dollars of this world's goods without considering the weight of that consumption," basically a rephrasing of how we had raised him: To him whom much has been given, much is expected. Service was a huge component of his high school education. We just didn't consider the military as the way he'd continue his commitment to his fellow man and stewardship of the planet.

Also, the profile of the classes at those schools runs the gamut of rich to poor (most have mind-blowing endowments and generous financial aid), shows a fairly even male:female ratio, and reflects all skin colors and global cultures. Our son's school had students from 44 countries. His exposure to that range of people and perspectives was quite enriching, and I believe it is important for the service academies to continue to attract and recruit future officers from all sectors of our society--including prep schools.
 
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The vast majority of prep school attendees paying full freight want nothing to do with the military. Those institutions, and their attendees, are overwhelmingly ultra liberal to a degree you can’t comprehend. The few prep school grads who do attend are largely athletes, who you aren’t competing against anyway.
 
... so the 40mm Bofors flak start to come in... Hooah!!
To continue my argument, if this crazy group wins in 2029, (using my DS and home state as examples), the 2030 USNA group from my state will be 100% preps.
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Home State numbers at USNA
A - Preps
B- Public School

2023: A - 7, B - 1
2024: A - 5, B - 2
2025: A - 8, B - 2
2026: A - 4, B - 1
2027: A - 6, B - 2
2029: Knuckle head Group Wins
2030: A - 7, B - 0
 
Korab said:
The vast majority of prep school attendees paying full freight want nothing to do with the military. Those institutions, and their attendees, are overwhelmingly ultra liberal to a degree you can’t comprehend.
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The vast majority of all US students (and the parents of these kids ) want nothing to do with the US military. And this crosses all political lines from right to left.
 
I wonder whether this case will somehow be joined with the case against West Point and whether a case will also be brought naming the other Service Academies and if they will all be joined together. I suppose that by the time they are heard by the Supreme Court, if they are heard there, they will be consolidated for that hearing. I don't recall whether the North Carolina and Harvard cases were only pulled together when the were heard by the Supreme Court, or if that occurred at an earlier stage of the litigation. Of course, those universities may have had no interest in consolidating their cases. The Service Academies may find it to their benefit to have the cases heard together. One thing seems certain, this will be a distraction, at least at some point, for the admissions offices of the Service Academies that get sued and it is likely that the government will have to waste a lot of resources responding to this. For the foreseeable future, until this case goes through the trial courts and appellate courts, I would not expect to see any changes to the way admissions makes its decisions.


Korab said:
Prep schools are a different world.
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While I generally agree with this statement, in much of the northeast, the "ultra liberal" are alive and well in our public schools too.
Small Team Bacsi said:
The vast majority of all US students (and the parents of these kids ) want nothing to do with the US military. And this crosses all political lines from right to left.
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I agree with this. And, I think it does not matter whether parents and/or kids attend public or private school. @Small Team Bacsi's statement holds true.
 
severn said:
... so the 40mm Bofors flak start to come in... Hooah!!
To continue my argument, if this crazy group wins in 2029, (using my DS and home state as examples), the 2030 USNA group from my state will be 100% preps.
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Home State numbers at USNA
A - Preps
B- Public School

2023: A - 7, B - 1
2024: A - 5, B - 2
2025: A - 8, B - 2
2026: A - 4, B - 1
2027: A - 6, B - 2
2029: Knuckle head Group Wins
2030: A - 7, B - 0
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How does prep school appointees relate to affirmative action? You apparently don’t realize that prep schools are at least a third minority, and that they actively recruit minorities and provide substantial financial aid, including full financial aid. So your argument, as best I can understand it, is flawed in at least a couple counts. Prep school attendees aren’t necessarily white or rich, and if they are, they are probably athletes you aren’t competing against anyway. A minority candidate coming from a prep school would be uniquely prepared to succeed at a SA.
 
VelveteenR said:
You don't appear to have an argument. What are you basing your assertion on? Until you share some solid reasoning, there is no meaningful conversation to be had here.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the assertion is that is being argued by @severn. You seem to be at least two steps ahead of me @VelveteenR. No offense intended @severn. I don't understand the concern that these SA cases cause, except that they distract admissions from their mission. Simply put, I don't expect the cases to cause significant change, and if they do, I expect the SAs to manage that change in a way the allows them to fulfill their mission(s).
 
Korab said:
How does prep school appointees relate to affirmative action? You apparently don’t realize that prep schools are at least a third minority, and that they actively recruit minorities and provide substantial financial aid, including full financial aid. So your argument, as best I can understand it, is flawed in at least a couple counts. Prep school attendees aren’t necessarily white or rich, and if they are, they are probably athletes you aren’t competing against anyway. A minority candidate coming from a prep school would be uniquely prepared to succeed at a SA.
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... read and reread my initial post. Referring to prep schools only.
 
dddad said:
I'm still trying to figure out what the assertion is that is being argued by @severn. You seem to be at least two steps ahead of me @VelveteenR. No offense intended @severn. I don't understand the concern that these SA cases cause, except that they distract admissions from their mission. Simply put, I don't expect the cases to cause significant change, and if they do, I expect the SAs to manage that change in a way the allows them to fulfill their mission(s).
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... read the numbers in my initial post. I'm trying to be tactful in this forum. If the crazy group wins, that W group numbers will increase tremendously... leaving hundreds of kids behind.
 
severn said:
... so the 40mm Bofors flak start to come in... Hooah!!
To continue my argument, if this crazy group wins in 2029, (using my DS and home state as examples), the 2030 USNA group from my state will be 100% preps.
---------------------/-------------/--------------
Home State numbers at USNA
A - Preps
B- Public School

2023: A - 7, B - 1
2024: A - 5, B - 2
2025: A - 8, B - 2
2026: A - 4, B - 1
2027: A - 6, B - 2
2029: Knuckle head Group Wins
2030: A - 7, B - 0
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First, this crazy group is bringing a legitimate question to the courts on whether the admissions is SAs is constitutional. This group won this case for top universities, so they are far from whackos.

Are they right? Not sure - haven’t seen the discovery.

Do you have the racial breakdown of the number of minorities from prep and public schools in your example?

Why does admissions think the candidates in private schools are better in your state?

If this groups win - and these numbers stay consistent in 2030 and beyond, will you admit your conclusion was wrong?
 
Korab said:
Prep schools are a different world.
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And yet just in Baltimore area you see kids being admitted into SA s recently who attended, McDonough, Calvert Hall, Loyola, Boys Latin, NDP, and a host of other prep schools. Amd many of these prep schools tout the fact that it’s not one but several SA admits.

A higher % of SA admits from the typical Baltimore area prep school than most area public schools i would bet and I doubt it’s even close.,
 
Small Team Bacsi said:
And yet just in Baltimore area you see kids being admitted into SA s recently who attended, McDonough, Calvert Hall, Loyola, Boys Latin, NDP, and a host of other prep schools. Amd many of these prep schools tout the fact that it’s not one but several SA admits.

A higher % of SA admits from the typical Baltimore area prep school than most area public schools i would bet and I doubt it’s even close.,
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Baltimore is not graduating students that can read or write.

It seems to me the crux of this is the desperate need for improvements in large city schools.
 
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