Are nominations "weighted?"

Discussion in 'Nominations' started by Nomak54, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. Nomak54

    Nomak54 Member

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    For example, if someone got a senator nom, will that look better than a Rep. nom?

    How would that work for states with one representative?
     
  2. A6E Dad

    A6E Dad BGO

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    noms are not 'weighted' in the way you describe. A nom is a nom, regardless of where it comes from and neither has more or less weight than another.

    However, different types of nominations have different numbers of available slots available. For instance, all Congressional nominations have 10 noms for each available offer of appointment (slot) or 10:1. Service connected noms are different, ie. there are usually 800 or more Presidential nominations granted, competing for 100 slots, or 8:1. For NROTC, there are usually close to 300 nominations competing for 20 slots, or around 15:1, etc etc.

    In the national pool (where applicants go if they don't win their nominating slate), the first 150 slots are given, by law, to the top 150 ranked by WPM (whole person multiple), and they must have a MOC nomination.

    So, in terms of the national pool, yes, MOC nominations are weighted more (because others are not eligible for the top 150), but there is no difference between a Congressman's nom and a Senator's nom. It may be that the competition within the slate is higher (because candidates are competing statewide) but the SA doesn't give more weight to one over the other.
     
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  3. jn11n

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    Is there any way to figure out how many slots are available per MOC?
     
  4. skiergirl24

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    They can nominate up to 10 people per slot, so if your MOC nominates 10, then there's one slot, 20 then there's 2 slots.
     
  5. FMHS-79

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    IMHO, there are many aspects of the SA application process that are out of an applicant's control - try to focus your time and energy on those things you can directly control (one can go crazy trying to figure out what happens behind the scenes at the MOC offices and SAs). Expend your energy on things that make an impact - make sure plans b, c, and d are in place, stay in shape, keep out of trouble, and enjoy your senior year. Good luck.
     
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  6. shock-n-awe

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    Just to add that each MOC can have no more than 5 people “charged” to them at an SA at any given time. On some given years for various reasons, an MOC may have 2 slates of 10 for 2 Nominations to a specific Academy. There are often many more than 5 people from their District at an SA at the same time because those nominations (over the 5 authorized ) were “charged” elsewhere. Ie: Presidential, Supe, ROTC etc...This is only one example!
    So your query is not going to get you the answer you’re probably seeking as to your odds of a nomination etc., but it does show you how complex the nomination system can be.
    As suggested, focusing on putting your best self forward into the competition will give you the best odds of ultimately getting a NOM and an appointment.
     
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  7. SomeGaveAll

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    @A6E Dad - Just confirming my understanding, if one only has a Presidential nom and he/she doesn't make the 100 (I'm assuming the 100 are totally at the perogative of the SA to fill the class the way they wish), then it's TWE and he/she isn't eligible for the NWL? TIA!
     
  8. A1Janitor

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    Well ... a nom is a nom. What if they aren’t one of the 100 but have an LOA, for instance?
     
  9. NavyHoops

    NavyHoops Super Moderator 5-Year Member

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    It’s a Nom, so unless something odd happens, LOA + any Nom = appt, even if they only have a Presidential. They could still be charged to VP, if they applied, or even Supts (rare).

    They are constantly moving round where appointees are charged. Maybe one candidate had a Presidential early on, then had a MOC Nom. Maybe they move that appointee to the MOC slate and now it opens up a Presidential. The if/then situation is extensive.
     
  10. Impulsive

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    @A6E Dad...WOW, Great info. Never knew how they "allotted" nominations before, Thank You. Everything else I have read on various threads are making more sense as I learn the process better. You didn't mention the difference between a "primary" NOM and a "Competitive" NOM? My understanding is that a "Primary" MOC NOM is guaranteed an appointment IF they meet the 3Q's, is this correct? And if it is, how does that effect the other MOC "slots"?
     
  11. SomeGaveAll

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    According to Title 10, the first 150 other qualified MOC noms must be chosen by order of merit. If chosen, they won't be charged to the MOC. ... at least that's my understanding.
     
  12. justdoit19

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    Have you read the stickies on the forums? Again you are asking about primary noms. I spent quite a bit of time explaining it. I would suggest that you read the stickies on the nomination forums. Or search primary nominations and read the threads. Lots of people have posted lots of stuff about it. Including here today in this thread and the other one where you asked about primary noms. I suspect you would get a better understanding after reading the things already posted and information people have already provided.....especially in the nomination stickies.

    https://www.serviceacademyforums.com/index.php?threads/nominations-faq.33450/

    I think all your questions will be answered here regarding nominations. I linked the stickies for you.
     
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