Discussion in 'Military Academy - USMA' started by ontothefray22, Dec 19, 2017.
If you receive a 3Q letter does it mean you are 'Admissible'?
It means you are "qualified". If you receive a nomination, you MAY receive an offer of appointment.
A nomination will be your next milestone, as it will greatly reduce the size of the field.
Not all 3Q'd-and-nominated applicants are offered appointments, but you are certainly going in the right direction.
What it will come down to is how your WCS (Whole Candidate Score) stacks up against the thousands of others who are 3Q'd.
So you wait. I hope that helps!
Okay sweet, I have 2 noms.
I was told recently my file status is "admissible". Just curious if this is determined based on WCS or simply academics (i.e., ACT/GPA).
Basically it just means there are no obvious reasons to DQ you. 'Competitive,' '3Q,' etc. are all similar but vaguely ambiguous not-quite-meaningless terms. 3Q + nom + DoDMERB is a great place to be in but still leaves you with 35% - 50% chances. Long way to go still !!
On the down side based on corps size today I believe class of '23 will be smaller than normal. Keep the faith !!
Unfortunately, your response doesn't answer the original question:
Is "admissible" determined by WCS or simply academics (ACT/GPA).
I'd like to know the answer myself. Moreover, your statement "competitive, 3Q etc are all similar" is not correct. While neither guarantees an appointment, there is a distinction between "admissible" & "competitive".
So, what is the difference between "admissible" and "competitive"? Is that a quantified difference or subjective?
Admissible is a status that shows up in your FFR’s portal. A candidate is not told whether they are admissible or not. Admissible usually means that there is a high chance the candidate will be admitted. I believe it is based on test scores and transcript at least until their file is scored.
Triple Qualified with a Nom is good to go. The earlier all of these standards are met the better. Best of luck.
From a Field Force SOP I found online:
ADMISSIBLE - This is the portion of the candidate pool that deserves close scrutiny and mentorship. These are prime candidates for admission. Interviewing all admissible candidates is our goal and should be a priority for Field Force liaisons. When a new candidate appears on the system with a Whole Candidate Score (WCS) at the admissible level, the geographic regional team responsible for maintaining the file will evaluate and in many instances send a Letter of Encouragement.
COMPETITIVE - This is our largest group. It includes candidates with an initial WCS that has all the predictors above risk, but a WCS lower than the currently enrolled classes. While a large number of candidates will be qualified within this category, the chances for an offer of admission normally depends upon the competitiveness of individual candidates within their nomination categories. There is no expectation that any of these candidates will be selected for an offer of admission until nominations are received.
There are two other categories: Risk & Unknown
I'm new to this forum. There is a lot of good info here. However, there are a few people that provide advice but don't know what their talking about. The moderators should sort this out !
3Q + nom is NOT an assured appointment; more like 30% - 50% chance. There are 535 MOCs not counting VP and Presidential noms; each slate is 10 noms. So assuming each MOC has one slate per SA in a given year there are over 5000 nominations given to each SA. Many of those candidates will be DQd for CFA, academic or DoDMERB reasons but remember the incoming class is only ~1K.
So the 3Q + nom population every year is several times the number of available appointments. It is a good status to have but by no means a slam dunk.
The most recent West Point Admissions Profile indicated 4,120 nominations of which 2,360 were qualified (defined as academic and physical - not sure of medical) and of which 1,257 were admitted.
More specifically - Men: 3,423 nominations, 1,974 qualified and 1,041 admitted. Women: 697 nominations, 386 qualified and 216 admitted. Men yield from nom + qualified = 52.7% and Women yield from nom + qualified = 56.0%.
By no means did I say nor imply an assured appointment. But with those qualifications in place, an appointment can be offered and accepted. At no point did I use the term "Slam dunk." Thank you. This wisdom was imparted to us by our RC. In addition to that, we spent Family Weekend at the Thayer visiting USMA and our Plebe. So, while certainly not being a lock, the possibilities are intriguing....
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