COVID Vaccination NROTC Question

palmettoag

Texas A&M Corps of Cadets 2026
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First off, lets not make this political, I just want a full and clear answer and not "Just take the shot!" or "Don't take the jab!" I'm not going to be biased either way on this forum, as I said, just want a clear and honest answer, which I have been not able to find on the internet. Thank you.


Do NROTC MIDN's have to receive the shot? I've seen on summer cruises they have to receive it, but what about during the school years. Also, since scholarship mids are already contracted with the Navy, do they need to take the shot? What about non-scholarship mids that are not contracted to the Navy yet? The big question I'm trying to ask is do scholarship mids need to take the shot before entering ROTC and do non scholarship mids only need to take it when they contract with the Navy?

Thank you for any info you can provide. I was very hesitant about posting this thread because I've seen this topic on multiple threads become more of a shouting contest instead of a useful resource for future officers. Lets not make this thread like that. Have a great day.

V/R
 
It will turn into that. Bc it always does.

I don’t have the answer. But what I do know, is that in the real world, with all things, there is the ‘published rule’, and then there is the ‘reality rule’. What does that mean? It means that while the official, published answer may be xxx, the REALITY of the situation may be yyy.

So, despite what is said, the reality may be different. And to succeed and move forward, reality is what matters. Also, what is true today may not be true tomorrow.

Many convos were held over break in our home, with our Mids and enlisted, about this subject. It’s a hot debate everywhere. Good luck muddling through….there isn’t a blanket answer (official/reality). In all areas (civilian/military). And it evolves daily.

Not a political statement at all. But rather reality.
 
First off, lets not make this political, I just want a full and clear answer and not "Just take the shot!" or "Don't take the jab!" I'm not going to be biased either way on this forum, as I said, just want a clear and honest answer, which I have been not able to find on the internet. Thank you.


Do NROTC MIDN's have to receive the shot? I've seen on summer cruises they have to receive it, but what about during the school years. Also, since scholarship mids are already contracted with the Navy, do they need to take the shot? What about non-scholarship mids that are not contracted to the Navy yet? The big question I'm trying to ask is do scholarship mids need to take the shot before entering ROTC and do non scholarship mids only need to take it when they contract with the Navy?

Thank you for any info you can provide. I was very hesitant about posting this thread because I've seen this topic on multiple threads become more of a shouting contest instead of a useful resource for future officers. Lets not make this thread like that. Have a great day.

V/R
I can tell you that my DD had to provide proof for her AF ROTC scholarship at her Detachment. Her school doesn't require it, but she had to show proof to the Commander because it needs uploaded into HQ.
 
The closest I've seen to an answer on this issue came from GWU PNS's post on 11/28 in a thread on "In a tough situation." The OP on this thread made comments that suggested he'd seen that post. But, if not, it is worth looking at.
 
The closest I've seen to an answer on this issue came from GWU PNS's post on 11/28 in a thread on "In a tough situation." The OP on this thread made comments that suggested he'd seen that post. But, if not, it is worth looking at.
Will definitely look at it thank you.
 
The OP has several questions rolled into one post. Not sure I will get to all of them, but before I start my dancing on the minefield, I wanted to put out some basic definitions to keep our terms straight.

The term Midshipman (MIDN) is vague......so for me, there are
1) Contracted MIDN or MIDN on contract, or MIDN who have a scholarship, signed a DD-4, and took the oath.
2) College Programmers, sometimes called "walk-ons". In most cases, they have been issued uniforms and fully participate in Naval Science classes and for all intents and purposes, they are considered MIDN like everyone else. BUT......they are not on an activated scholarship, did not take the oath, and did not sign a DD4. Some units do some of this paperwork in advance, but the easiest way to tell is that a College Programmer on a non activated scholarship will not be walking around with a CAC card unless they are a dependent of an active duty or retired military service member.
3) Non affiliated member. Typically, someone who is thinking about signing up for NROTC, but really isn't sure. They show up at some functions, not others, are not typically registered in Naval Science Classes, etc. They sign nothing and have been obligated to nothing. For the rest of my post, I do not speak to this category. They are under no obligations whatsoever.

So, for Navy policy, which affects active duty AND the Reserve Component, you need to be vaccinated. Active Duty needed to have their shots within 90 days of formal notification, which was submitted via an ALNAV message back in August of 2021. Reserve Component was given 120 days. MIDN in category 1 above are part of the Individual Ready Reserve, which means they are in the Reserve Component. Re-read the sentence before this one, and the answer is YES, they need to be vaccinated.

For people in category 2 above, they are not part of the IRR (yet), and do not have the obligation for vaccination by the Navy policy., So does this mean they are off the hook? NO!! Why? Because in nearly every instance of which I am aware, the universities with NROTC require vaccination to take the classes. If you are unable to take classes, and you cannot get your degree, you cannot commission. You will be disenrolled from the NROTC program due to failure to maintain your academic completion program.

Are boosters required? Tricky question. By current Navy policy (ALNAV 062/21) not right now. It is being evaluated. But, for some universities, to return to campus, they are requiring the booster. See my earlier remark about meeting university requirements. It applies to this as well. Can the Navy override a university policy? NO, not on their property.

And in case anyone is really bored on a Monday and wants to read the ALNAV, I have it below this. It's available online if you search for it, so it's not like I am revealing a closely guarded secret. I am sure this will be debated quite a bit with very passionate pleas to either carry out the policy or to not follow it. I've learned to use a great standard reply from an Admiral years ago.....and that reply is this........Hmmm, I appreciate your interest in our National Defense Mr. Meyers, now please sit down while advance to the next slide.

*******************************************************************************************
BIG NAVY POLICY
*******************************************************************************************

UNCLASSIFIED//
ROUTINE

R 302126Z AUG 21 MID200001087789U
FM SECNAV WASHINGTON DC
TO ALNAV
INFO SECNAV WASHINGTON DC
CNO WASHINGTON DC
CMC WASHINGTON DC
BT

UNCLAS
ALNAV 062/21
MSGID/GENADMIN/SECNAV WASHINGTON DC/-/AUG//
SUBJ/2021-2022 DEPARTMENT OF NAVY MANDATORY COVID-19 VACCINATION POLICY//
REF/A/DOC/SECDEF/24AUG21//
AMPN/REF A IS THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE MEMO MANDATING
CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 VACCINATION FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SERVICE MEMBERS//


RMKS/1. Protecting the health of the force and warfighting readiness is of
paramount importance. I thank and applaud all of you who have become fully
vaccinated. Your action helps to ensure the health and safety of you, your
family, your shipmates, and your mission.

2. Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) adversely impacts Department of the
Navy (DON) force readiness and mission execution. Disease models indicate
that Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus
that causes COVID-19, will continue to spread throughout 2021.

3. Vaccination is the most effective tool we have to prevent widespread
manifestation of COVID-19 in our force. Within the last year, millions of
Americans have received approved COVID-19 vaccines in response to this
emergency. One of the approved vaccines has received full licensure from the
Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This licensure approval provides
additional confidence and comfort in the safety of the most effective tool we
have in our arsenal against this threat. Considering this threat to the
health and readiness of Service Members, vaccination against COVID-19 using a
vaccine that has received full licensure from the FDA is now a mandatory
requirement in accordance with reference (a). Additional implementation
guidance will be issued via Navy and Marine Corps administrative message.

4. As the faithful maritime protectors of our country in peacetime and war,
each of us must take ownership of our readiness to preserve and protect the
force, and ensure the success of our mission. Effective immediately, all DON
active duty Service Members, who are not already vaccinated or exempted, are
required to be fully vaccinated within 90 days and all Reserve Component
Service Members are required to be fully vaccinated within 120 days of this
issuance with an FDA approved vaccination against COVID-19.
Service Members
voluntarily immunized with a COVID-19 vaccine under FDA Emergency Use
Authorization or World Health Organization Emergency Use Listing in
accordance with applicable dose requirements prior to, or after, the
establishment of this policy are considered fully vaccinated. Service
Members who are actively participating in COVID-19 clinical trials are
exempted from mandatory vaccination against COVID-19 until the trial is
complete in order to avoid invalidating such clinical trial results.

5. The order to obtain full vaccination is a lawful order, and failure to
comply is punishable as a violation of a lawful order under Article 92,
Uniform Code of Military Justice, and may result in punitive or adverse
administrative action or both.
The Chief of Naval Operations and Commandant
of the Marine Corps have authority to exercise the full range of
administrative and disciplinary actions to hold non-exempt Service Members
appropriately accountable. This may include, but is not limited to, removal
of qualification for advancement, promotions, reenlistment, or continuation,
consistent with existing regulations, or otherwise considering vaccination
status in personnel actions as appropriate.

6. Additional guidance will be provided with regard to reporting
requirements of vaccination numbers on a weekly basis to Assistant Secretary
of the Navy (Manpower & Reserve Affairs).

7. Released by the Honorable Carlos Del Toro Secretary of the Navy.//

BT
#0001
NNNN
 
The OP has several questions rolled into one post. Not sure I will get to all of them, but before I start my dancing on the minefield, I wanted to put out some basic definitions to keep our terms straight.

The term Midshipman (MIDN) is vague......so for me, there are
1) Contracted MIDN or MIDN on contract, or MIDN who have a scholarship, signed a DD-4, and took the oath.
2) College Programmers, sometimes called "walk-ons". In most cases, they have been issued uniforms and fully participate in Naval Science classes and for all intents and purposes, they are considered MIDN like everyone else. BUT......they are not on an activated scholarship, did not take the oath, and did not sign a DD4. Some units do some of this paperwork in advance, but the easiest way to tell is that a College Programmer on a non activated scholarship will not be walking around with a CAC card unless they are a dependent of an active duty or retired military service member.
3) Non affiliated member. Typically, someone who is thinking about signing up for NROTC, but really isn't sure. They show up at some functions, not others, are not typically registered in Naval Science Classes, etc. They sign nothing and have been obligated to nothing. For the rest of my post, I do not speak to this category. They are under no obligations whatsoever.

So, for Navy policy, which affects active duty AND the Reserve Component, you need to be vaccinated. Active Duty needed to have their shots within 90 days of formal notification, which was submitted via an ALNAV message back in August of 2021. Reserve Component was given 120 days. MIDN in category 1 above are part of the Individual Ready Reserve, which means they are in the Reserve Component. Re-read the sentence before this one, and the answer is YES, they need to be vaccinated.

For people in category 2 above, they are not part of the IRR (yet), and do not have the obligation for vaccination by the Navy policy., So does this mean they are off the hook? NO!! Why? Because in nearly every instance of which I am aware, the universities with NROTC require vaccination to take the classes. If you are unable to take classes, and you cannot get your degree, you cannot commission. You will be disenrolled from the NROTC program due to failure to maintain your academic completion program.

Are boosters required? Tricky question. By current Navy policy (ALNAV 062/21) not right now. It is being evaluated. But, for some universities, to return to campus, they are requiring the booster. See my earlier remark about meeting university requirements. It applies to this as well. Can the Navy override a university policy? NO, not on their property.

And in case anyone is really bored on a Monday and wants to read the ALNAV, I have it below this. It's available online if you search for it, so it's not like I am revealing a closely guarded secret. I am sure this will be debated quite a bit with very passionate pleas to either carry out the policy or to not follow it. I've learned to use a great standard reply from an Admiral years ago.....and that reply is this........Hmmm, I appreciate your interest in our National Defense Mr. Meyers, now please sit down while advance to the next slide.

*******************************************************************************************
BIG NAVY POLICY
*******************************************************************************************

UNCLASSIFIED//
ROUTINE

R 302126Z AUG 21 MID200001087789U
FM SECNAV WASHINGTON DC
TO ALNAV
INFO SECNAV WASHINGTON DC
CNO WASHINGTON DC
CMC WASHINGTON DC
BT

UNCLAS
ALNAV 062/21
MSGID/GENADMIN/SECNAV WASHINGTON DC/-/AUG//
SUBJ/2021-2022 DEPARTMENT OF NAVY MANDATORY COVID-19 VACCINATION POLICY//
REF/A/DOC/SECDEF/24AUG21//
AMPN/REF A IS THE OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE MEMO MANDATING
CORONAVIRUS DISEASE 2019 VACCINATION FOR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE SERVICE MEMBERS//


RMKS/1. Protecting the health of the force and warfighting readiness is of
paramount importance. I thank and applaud all of you who have become fully
vaccinated. Your action helps to ensure the health and safety of you, your
family, your shipmates, and your mission.

2. Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) adversely impacts Department of the
Navy (DON) force readiness and mission execution. Disease models indicate
that Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), the virus
that causes COVID-19, will continue to spread throughout 2021.

3. Vaccination is the most effective tool we have to prevent widespread
manifestation of COVID-19 in our force. Within the last year, millions of
Americans have received approved COVID-19 vaccines in response to this
emergency. One of the approved vaccines has received full licensure from the
Food and Drug Administration (FDA). This licensure approval provides
additional confidence and comfort in the safety of the most effective tool we
have in our arsenal against this threat. Considering this threat to the
health and readiness of Service Members, vaccination against COVID-19 using a
vaccine that has received full licensure from the FDA is now a mandatory
requirement in accordance with reference (a). Additional implementation
guidance will be issued via Navy and Marine Corps administrative message.

4. As the faithful maritime protectors of our country in peacetime and war,
each of us must take ownership of our readiness to preserve and protect the
force, and ensure the success of our mission. Effective immediately, all DON
active duty Service Members, who are not already vaccinated or exempted, are
required to be fully vaccinated within 90 days and all Reserve Component
Service Members are required to be fully vaccinated within 120 days of this
issuance with an FDA approved vaccination against COVID-19.
Service Members
voluntarily immunized with a COVID-19 vaccine under FDA Emergency Use
Authorization or World Health Organization Emergency Use Listing in
accordance with applicable dose requirements prior to, or after, the
establishment of this policy are considered fully vaccinated. Service
Members who are actively participating in COVID-19 clinical trials are
exempted from mandatory vaccination against COVID-19 until the trial is
complete in order to avoid invalidating such clinical trial results.

5. The order to obtain full vaccination is a lawful order, and failure to
comply is punishable as a violation of a lawful order under Article 92,
Uniform Code of Military Justice, and may result in punitive or adverse
administrative action or both.
The Chief of Naval Operations and Commandant
of the Marine Corps have authority to exercise the full range of
administrative and disciplinary actions to hold non-exempt Service Members
appropriately accountable. This may include, but is not limited to, removal
of qualification for advancement, promotions, reenlistment, or continuation,
consistent with existing regulations, or otherwise considering vaccination
status in personnel actions as appropriate.

6. Additional guidance will be provided with regard to reporting
requirements of vaccination numbers on a weekly basis to Assistant Secretary
of the Navy (Manpower & Reserve Affairs).

7. Released by the Honorable Carlos Del Toro Secretary of the Navy.//

BT
#0001
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That is interesting that the IRR falls under the vaccination requirement. I can see it for MIDN, as they are headed for active duty and it would also be required to attend summer trainings. I wonder how the Navy is handling those who have completed their active duty service obligation and are now part of the IRR for the remainder of their service obligation.
 
@GWU PNS has the "inside scoop" as they ARE AD Navy. Listen to him, as he does not give advice that is not spot on. AND, again, he is likely totally correct in the even if you are not doing ROTC, almost EVERY University is requiring vaccines to attend class. While I suppose you could do four years "virtual school", you cannot do virtual ROTC...:)
 
Great post! Is there any scuttlebutt about dropping the Vaccine Requirement? My son is all in, he doesn’t care and see‘s the vaccine as the price to serve. But as his father, I have concerns now that the data is actually available.
 
Great post! Is there any scuttlebutt about dropping the Vaccine Requirement? My son is all in, he doesn’t care and see‘s the vaccine as the price to serve. But as his father, I have concerns now that the data is actually available.
There are all sorts of rumors from various news outlets and other online blogs. I have heard no mention whatsoever of eliminating the vaccine requirement. There are several federal court decisions weighing in on whether or not the federal mandate is constitutional, or whether or not one can mandate the original Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or if the marketed names of Comirnaty or Spikevax need to be distributed first. I don't have any legal training, so I don't want to guess how this will turn out.

My general discussions with my Mids center on the idea of working as a team to execute the mission. If you obsess more on your individual needs or desires, then the military may not be something you are cut out for. I have to think a lot of this is some odd desire to get "likes and shares" on social media outlets. But, there are people who wring their hands over this, and I just sit and sip my coffee and watch it all happen.
 
There are all sorts of rumors from various news outlets and other online blogs. I have heard no mention whatsoever of eliminating the vaccine requirement. There are several federal court decisions weighing in on whether or not the federal mandate is constitutional, or whether or not one can mandate the original Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or if the marketed names of Comirnaty or Spikevax need to be distributed first. I don't have any legal training, so I don't want to guess how this will turn out.

My general discussions with my Mids center on the idea of working as a team to execute the mission. If you obsess more on your individual needs or desires, then the military may not be something you are cut out for. I have to think a lot of this is some odd desire to get "likes and shares" on social media outlets. But, there are people who wring their hands over this, and I just sit and sip my coffee and watch it all happen.
Thanks for the reply. My son is all in, I am the one who is not crazy about him getting the vaccine.
 
My DS is still for waiting news from USNA, but will be at TAMU NROTC otherwise. He is not currently vaxed, but it appears it will be mandatory for NSI. We were hoping it would not be necessary until he actually commissioned, buying us 4 years, but it looks like that will not be the case. He's all in as well, but it's us as parents struggling with this.

Curious if the OP aggiecorps26 has chosen an outfit...that's next on the list of to-dos.
 
Great post! Is there any scuttlebutt about dropping the Vaccine Requirement? My son is all in, he doesn’t care and see‘s the vaccine as the price to serve. But as his father, I have concerns now that the data is actually available.
SAME...
 
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